All about menthol and coolants

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  1. Silver

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    With the heat we get in this country, its always nice to have an ice cold vape!

    So what are your favourite coolants and menthols?

    TFA Menthol, FW Extreme Ice, WS23....

    And why?

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    I love my icy vapes and over the years I have added menthol to several commercial fruity and tobacco vapes with great effect. I have only tried TFA menthol and Vapour Mountain Menthol concentrate. Have settled on the VM menthol concentrate. I find it very good. Maybe its just me but it has a pure sort of taste and i find it quite strong. Gives me a nice throat singe! Have been using it for a long time!

    Now on the DIY trail, i have tried FW Extreme Ice in the Bruised Berry Ice recipe. Am trying to let it steep to see if the "Wicks" bubblegum or Vicks type of taste will subside a little.

    Am hoping to try more coolants in future but would love to hear from the other members what your findings are?

    How cold is it? Does it have any other flavours in it? How "pure" tasting is it? What makes a good coolant for you?
     
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    I LOVE this thread!!!!

    Hopefully all my questions about this can be answered here.

    @Silver you're a rockstar for this thread!!!
     
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    Love this thread. I love icy fruits.

    Most people find my juices have too much of a throat hit but I love it.
    Really excited to try clyrocool.
    For an adv I want to try get a Panama like coolness
     
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    @Silver - When I checked this thread pop up, I knew it was you. hahaha. Good thread.

    Lets get to the buuuuuuzzzzznnnuuuuuzzzz

    Its incredible how these coolants on their own have evolved. I think we can both appreciate that back in the days we only had menthol or koolada to pick from. The problem at that point was that Koolada would change the lighter notes / nuances in a recipe, and menthol tasted like airwaves chewing gum - and totally dominated a recipe.

    This initially put me off cool vapes, I could not stand them. Perhaps its just me, and I experience these additives differently. I've spoken to a few people about this who shared my sentiments.

    However there is a new kid on the block, and all the latest recipes are making use of WS23 20% (BLCK Black Ice). I took the risk and got me some, and now when I mix a basic fruit recipe - it always goes in, it changes the vape from a old sh!tty warm fruit salad, to a freshly cut cooled bowl of amazingness.

    With WS23 20% I go up to about 1%, and that is an icy AF vape for me. Its like this basically

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    Thanks @Paul33 and @87hunter
    Lets see where this thread goes
    Somewhere cold I hope ;-)
     
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    Thanks @Chukin'Vape

    That WS23 sounds very good!
    Definitely want to try it

    This quote of yours is classic, thanks!

    PS - wonder why its called WS23 though :rolleyes:
     
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    IDK - but that is a good Q, busy hitting google HARD. Found this on WS23
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    As far as I know that is the flavouring code used in the various flavouring and perfume industries. Koolada is WS-3.

    Or it could have something to do with the chemical composition.
     
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    My experience so far @Silver:

    TFA Koolada - do not go above 0.5 %. Above that I and many others get a cardboard taste. Some get a throat irritation even if used low.

    FA Polar Blast - similar to Koolada, maybe a touch cooler, but without the cardboard taste. Those that reported a throat irritation with Koolada say that Polar Blast does not impart it. I use it up to 1.0% for a nice, gentle cool.

    Blck Ice = WS-23 (20%), which is what Blck Vapour sells it as. Valley Vapour sells WS-23 (30%), which is more the international norm. I have not used these much, but have found a good combination for icy cool for my taste buds to be 1.0 % WS-23 (30%) combined with 0.5 % FA Artic Menthol.
     
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    I recently also used WS23 for the first time,I used to do TFA Menthol between 0.7 and 1%,now with the latest recipe I tried,I did 0.5% TFA Menthol and 0.5% WS23,and its an awesome combination,I will however drop the menthol a tad more when I finish this 300mls I just mixed,I find Im still getting too much of that Airwaves taste,so maybe I will take the WS23 to about 1% and menthol 0.3.


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    It def has Koolada in it, with a menthol me thinks - but its way smoother than koolada. So i'm not sure how they formulated it to accomplish this. ???
     
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    Thanks @Andre !
    I think I am one of those who is sensitive to Koolada. Its okay for me in the Bruised Berry Ice at 0.5% though but i dont trust it because ive figured out from some commercial juices way back that used it - that it was likely the Koolada that irritated my throat.

    I have the Artic Memthol, thanks for the tip of mixing it with the WS23 - and for the tip of 30% vs 20% availability :D
     
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    Oh, forgot to say @Silver, FW Extreme Ice also gives me a bubblegum taste. Thus, blacklisted from my side.
     
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    I use WS23 in the majority of my fruity and also some ice creamy DIY recipes. I go at 1-1.5% with the flavour mill 10% variation and gives a brilliant cooling effect.

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    Ws23 sounds great, iv only used koolada in a couple mixes and regretted it every time, mostly due to the muting effect described above, I pick up muting as low as 0.2 %

    My question is, with Ws23 ,do you pick up any muting or distortion at lower percentages? (Est. 0.2 - 0.6%) icey cola / panama type vibe

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    I have been using 1% Koolada and 1% menthol for the throat hit, It all tastes the same after a while so maybe I tone it down a bit.
     
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    Ok , just doing a roundup of whats been discussed so far in this thread

    We have TFA menthol
    FW Extreme Ice - which ive perceived fo have a bubblegum/wicks taste
    Koolada - but that can give a cardboard taste and can irritate the throat of some
    FA Polar Blast - like koolada without the cardboard taste
    FA Artic menthol -
    WS23 - sounds to be in the lead on the cooling front with no major taste
    VM Menthol - what I've been using for my additions to commercial juices.
    Clyrocool - another option

    Are these the main coolants ?
    Are there any other major options that have not been touched on?
     
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    Have anybody tried diy menthol mix? Where you get the crystals at a pharmacy and mix 10% in a pg solution.

    Edit: I just checked and see the guys use up to 50% menthol crystals and 50% pg in diy concentrates.
     
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    For menthol I've been only using (for over 2 years now) crystals from :
    https://www.essentialoilssouthafric...-k-n/products/menthol-crystal-mentha-arvensis .
    Mixing @ 20% in PG (by weight) and using solution 1-3% in recipes. Cleanest menthol, very cold inhale and 50g tub will last you forever.
    WS-23 gives you very cold exhale, so by combining the 2 at various percentages, you can get any level of "Ice" you want, with almost no real flavour to speak of.
    Polar Blast FA seems to amplify efect of WS-23: 0.5% WS23 + 0.5% Polar Blast feels stronger than 1% of either one alone, but it could be only subjective.
    If you like to add various "Minty" flavours to the mix:
    Spearmint FW not to strong use 2-5%
    White Winter FA (Spearmint) not to strong use 2-5%
    Mild Winter FA (Pepermint) not to strong use 2-5%
    Eucalyptus and Mint Inawera very strong use 0.2-0.5%
    That is what I've tried so far. Experimenting @ the moment with DIY Pepermint and Spearmint, but I'll have to report on that later.
    Caution: Spearmint flavours are known to atack some plastic tanks, if anyone is still using them.
    Hope this helps a bit.
     
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    In that percentage range there is minimal muting. However that range will not give you anywhere near the cooling effect of panama.
    Yup, those are the main players.
     
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    Where is the best place to get as many of the aboove as possible.
    Thinking of doing a two fruit base and try different coolants to see whats what.
    Just paid for an Octopus squonk so it's Febs mission :tmnt:
     
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    Blckvapour has all of them and I’m sure some other places as well
     
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    I managed to get my hands on some clyrocool by clyrolinx.
    I had about 15ml left in a diy blueberry juice and added 15 drops of clyrocool into it.
    No flavour change just a massive moondrops on ice type throat chill.
    It hits you right in the back of the throat and chills the tonsils properly. I may have over done the cool a touch.
    This definitely will be my go to coolant in the future.
     
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    Ws23(20%) black ice is currently the best in my book. I use it from 0.5% to 3%.
    That 3% at 60 watts just freezes the throat. This effect can be achieved with lower percentage just need to find my sweet spot in the mix.

    Something that I have noticed with ws23 the higher the watts the colder it gets and it can linger in the throat after a vape. Anybody else that experience this increase of coldness with higher watts?