DIY Naturally Extracted Concentrates (NET, NEC etc.)

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    Hi fellow amateur mixologists.

    In an effort to become more self sufficient in all things vape, I have been researching making concentrates from tobacco, coffee etc. I have searched the forum and we do not seem to have a dedicated thread to this topic yet, so I am hoping this thread can become the place we share our experiences and knowledge on this topic.

    I do not know if an index would be required but if so, I will update here.

    Please share freely on this topic.

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    This is going to be interesting.
     
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    "100ml VG
    10 grams tobacco of choice
    20ml PG

    Mix all into jar and seal. Place jar in a water bath at 50-60°C for 1 hour.

    Remove and shake jar every 15 minutes.

    Let steep for 3 days. (On shelf not in water bath)

    Strain with doubled up cheeseclothe.

    Re strain with doubled up cheesecloth.

    Place into jar.

    Add deseeded vanilla pod.

    Let steep for 2 more weeks.

    Add desired NIC content.

    Enjoy" - @Spyro


    Recently read how @BumbleBee extracted tea but for the love of VG I can't remember which thread..
     
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    From the web I found various methods of making Naturally extracted tobacco concentrates. Some require heat, alcohol, slow cookers and claim results within anything from overnight to two months.

    From what I have learned from DIY mixing, there is no replacement for time, so the method I trust most is also the most basic. Mix your chosen tobacco with PG, seal in a clean container and keep it there for two months. Occasionally shaking to keep the tobacco suspended in the solution.

    Starting off with some cheap tobacco I am currently testing the following method:
    12 grams of tobacco mixed with 120 grams of PG.
    Mixed on the 5th of February and expected date of completion the 5th of April.

    Did a taste test today and it is already a rather strong mix. The idea is however to make a concentrate and at present it could actually be used as is if you like your tobacco vape very strong.

    Hoping the final product to be a concentrate to be used at a 20% of total volume level.

    Here Goes!
     
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    NET coffee sounds super cool to me.

    I’ve also read up a lot on it but haven’t gotten around to actually doing it, part of it is laziness I’d suppose but the other part of me is how do you get that consistent taste of it as there are so many variables to making NET concentrates.

    Vanilla would be an interesting one as well.

    Looking forward to what we can find out here @Raindance
     
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    "Limited edition" :p or make 5L of the stuff
     
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    Was having a discussion earlier at wark about the cbd oil and vaping. Basically it's a legal cannabis oil without THC.

    Unfortunately there is no legal way of making it at home and the isolates on the web go for over R2000 for 10ml. So there's that idea out the door.
     
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    The method used to make those is however used for a number of extracts. It is however a costly and time consuming process and weighing the value of time and effort against the cost of just buying the CAP, TFA, INW etc ready made product would in most cases make the latter a lot less costly.

    That does not mean we can not discuss and explain those methods here though.

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    https://www.ecigssa.co.za/my-crazy-experiments.t11441/#post-222352

    :)
     
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    To be on the safe side NEs need to be micron filtered to get rid of particulates and especially lipids (I'm looking at you, coffee) - the latter can be dangerous to inhale.
    Proceed with caution!
     
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    Got a question regarding this that maybe you guys in the know can answer.

    When you let the pg steep with the tobacco or tea or whatever to get the flavour out, doesn't it draw out any of the bad stuff as well?

    I get that it will be much lower still than in ciggs. I don't see you using more than 3 ciggs worth of tobacco in a 30ml concentrate and from there dilute it further to make the vape juice. Its just something that crossed my mind earlier.

    Maybe @method1 can give some answer without giving away his trade secrets.
     
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    Whatever bad stuff dissolves into the Pg is still better than the synthesized flavours that we normally use in our juices.
     
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    Does anyone know if we can purchase NEC juice anywhere?


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    Someone posted on this somewhere... Can not remember exactly where.

    Paging @Andre, think you were part of that conversation?

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    As I understand, all MF (medicine flower) concentrates are naturally extracted. I am not aware of any local juices, containing NECs, other than Mr Hardwick's Rodeo hardshot, which contains some NET (naturally extracted tobacco), but we do not know how much.

    Internationally, you can buy some pure NET concentrates and juices or fusion NET juices (NET plus other concentrates) should you want to. We import some fusion NET juices (mostly Matador) from www.modnworld.com and I very occasionally import a pure NET juice (Cigarillos) from www.houseofliquid.com, which I use at 15 % in one of my tobacco DIY juices.
     
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    Just an update.

    The mix of the 5th is still steeping, getting really dark. I am impressed that I managed to not start using it yet. Did test it. Pretty strong but doubt that it is strong enough to be called a concentrate yet.

    Definitely smooth but possibly not yet bitter enough.

    Got hold of some Rum & Maple today and got a bottle of that going now as well. Don't laugh, but have a pack of Boxer awaiting processing as well. We will not know until we tried it.

    Will keep you posted.

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    Happy that I found this Thread! @Raindance How is this one going?
     
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    As a matter of fact I decanted a Rum and Maple hat has been sitting in PG since 27 Feb yesterday. Just about to put it in a "concentrate bottle" now as it takes about a day to filter through separating the scuff from the good stuff.
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    Does not smell rum and mapelish though. Will see when testing.

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    I have never tasted coffee concentrate from any of the ones available on the market, I don't really like coffee flavoured anything except for coffee itself and when it comes to that I consider myself a connoisseur. I recently made a concentrate from my own blend of coffee, which gets roasted from green beans first to either a medium or dark roast, I prefer a blend of the 2 and also a blend of various regions coffees. I've had the concentrate for about 4 weeks now and decided to try some at 1% mix. Spot on! Tried the same with cacao and that did not go down as well.
     
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    12 mg of tobacco in 120ml of PG results in about 100ml of extract.
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    Just dripped some, nice and strong, not at the level of commercial stuff but I think a 30% mix will make a nice juice. The R&M is a bit muted but the tobacco flavor is as one would want. May change with dilution.

    EDIT: forgot to add, it seems rather sweet.

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    I tried cacao as well. What a mess! LOL.

    How did you go about making the concentrate itself? I have tried coffee but not with a blend I like, more just as experiment, and the end result was not impressive at all.

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    I made 2 different ones with the coffee, one with a fine grind and one with a medium to fine grind and as I thought the medium to fine steeped much faster, both has exactly the same taste though.
    Simply took half a mug of grounded coffee, filled it with PG to just above the coffee, put it in a slow cooker for 3 days and then filtered it 3 times...2 was probably enough but did 1 more just for incase.
     
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    @Raindance I am glued to my seat and following this closely!
    For some reason I have missed ALL of the good tobacco threads including this one since I started on this forum. Let me say, a whole new window of DIY just opened up! Must be because I only saw acronyms (NET and NEC) and moved along from there :rofl:

    I have a few ideas already but let me follow your project 1st and then decide on mine.

    Can you tell me if this process also extracts the Nicotine from the tobacco and would there be anyway to estimate Nic strength from that?
    Reason I ask is that I still have a jar of tobacco from the Amazon called Mapacho (Nicotiana rustica) and I know that has a Very high nic content so wondering about how that would come out in an extraction.

    That flavor would be great, but might also be harsh depending on the extraction on the nic part of this bacco.
     
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    hi guys,

    how do you guys find these NET's and coil gunking ?

    regards
     
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