I don't get it? HE gear.

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  1. Jean claude Vaaldamme

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    Ok this has nothing to do with attys, some of the HE gear I can understand.
    As for HE mods I can also understand, seen a few nice looking ones, can understand gold inlays, exensive chipsets etc. Still dont know who decided stabilized wood is classy. Ok sometime I dont know if its wood or just resin, but some of these funny mixed christmas tree colours that look like an abstract painting, boggles the mind sometimes as to who think its beautifull. But Im common so maybe just dont get the look.

    But but but, HE squonkers? Wth? Ok I have seen a few like Vicious ant that I can understand the look thing. But these plastic one's, sometime transparent plastic. No chip set, a mech mod that look like they took a piece of plastic, screwed in a few parts that they got from the plumbing section at Builders warehouse, with a piece of copper inside that look like it was bended with a hammer and pliers on a brick. Then I see these things go for 2k, 5k, 8k, secondhand? Im to scrared to ask what they cost new. I just dont get it.
     
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    This has been debated to death already,

    I love my plastic mods, they may have nothing in them but they look good and i buy for looks.
     
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    I also wondered, and personally in my mind I cannot justify the cost compared to what you get. Though, I do understand that some people prefer them and to them, there is fair value in what they pay. Maybe its the experience, or the pleasant look to them. I don't think id ever buy those, because I would not see the value in them for me.
     
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    Yes I dont have a problem with people buying them, everyone can spend his money as he please.
    But Im trying to figure out how the company that builds them come to these prices. I mean If I build a mech mod with basically nothing of value inside and decide to sell it for 5-10k then atleast the copper plate inside I will let a enginering shop bend it for me so ot looks perfect and professional. The fittings under the 510 for squonk etc I will get high grade, shiny materials.
     
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    Like almost everything in vaping, its subjective. I guess HE goodies are more for the collector or OCD vaper:).

    These plastic box mech mods are manufactured in low volume and hand made and/or 3D printed etc. which contributes to the higher price. I have one of these, it's cute, very small and has silver contacts inside but I can't say it's the best looking or even all that well finished. It does work well but I'll probably end up selling it or trading it for something else.

    Just before Christmas I stopped in at a little vape shop in Centurion and picked up a Pulse BF mech mod for R300. It works just as well as the one I've mentioned above and I have to say, it's finished better but it is mass produced.

    I'm sure that some HE gear gets hype that it does not deserve, but some of it most certainly does. The Viscous Ant is a good example, they are just stunning and the photos on this forum don't do them justice, hold one in your hand, they are just out of this world, but too expensive for me.
     
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    For me it’s easy.

    I’m more then happy paying for the work that goes into making one of these “plastic boxes”.

    For instance, this querk made in the UK by BVB. We were shown the progress from day one on how he made, designed and then redesigned this little thing. There are so many things that you will not find on any other mod out there as well as full silver contacts and silver 510. He put tremendous effort into this little box.

    You need to remember that 9 times out of ten, these are made by one person and it takes a hell of a lot of work to get these to market hens the small runs and often the asking price.

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    The HE game is not for everyone.Not that I find anything wrong with it except that I have expensive taste and cant afford everything!
    Im not sure I ever really completely reached high end,but I have owned a few “mid range” squonks(not sure if it classifies as HE),started with a Mölly V1,Bolt V2.5,Mölly V2,L’Atelier Holy,3 Bolt V3’s and also a Limelight Gloom.
    I had the same argument once,until I held a Mölly,I instantly knew I needed to have one.
    In short,once you have had a taste of better quality gear than the mass produced Chinese mods,you will understand.
    I still have a Bolt V3,I love it.IMO the best squonk,it just works.
    But...to add to that,best EDC setup I have had thus far,my Paranormal 250c with the Reload RTA.Some mass produced gear is really great,nothing wrong with it,personal preference is the main deciding factor,or should be.
     
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    I want a Juma Holy so bad, its not bad for the price. I may order in Jan from vapor42
    Bolts i agree with to

    Pair a good mech squonk with a quality rda and you have a real winner.
     
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    Speak to Asif,not sure if he still has it but was selling his a while back for a very good price.
     
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    One day when I'm big and responsible I will get myself a VA and SQ squonker.

    The prices of one of these are around the same as a year supply of juice, cotton and coils, BUT if you look at the quality of work that goes into these mods, the price is justified.
     
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    Dont get me wrong, I have seen beautifull squonkers. Daniel got that little green one and someone has that yellowish transparent one(sorry dont know what brand they are) Im talking about these things I see that look like a Pulse with some poorly bended metal inside, that is supposed to be your elec connection/switch
     
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    If this baffles you then i dunno what you make out of paying $43.8 Mil for a blue painted board below(they called it art)

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    No, that I can understand. It is bought as a statement. It is famous and all your friends, colleagues and everyone will know what you paid for it, and they all would want to see it and talk about it.
    But who in life will care whether you piad 500, 5k or 10k for a vape mod?
    Its like when my uncle paid over 2mil for his new Gelandewagen, and my mother said his new Jeep looks nice
     
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    "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
    I can understand people prefer certain HE products, even if I cannot
    "the value of art is in the observer"
    I can understand value isn't always directly observable
    "let them eat cake"
    I also understand that paying extra for something that can be done cheaper wouldn't be a wise choice for me. I don't have enough money for those choices.
     
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    Just like a +10k mod, we all drool over HE mods and everyone wants them.
    We all talk about HE mods on this forum and even go out of our way to go to lay our hands on them. Its exactly the same thing. All the guys here on the other hand dont buy to show but buy cause the want.

    Also your uncle thing does not relate because your mother like most women dont give a hoot about cars so they could never know the value or what it really is so she cant be blamed. If he had shown me the vehicle i would of been amazed and probably convinced him to let me drive it.
     
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    Im sure less than 0,05% of vapers in SA is active on this forum, and Im sure more than half of that small percentage definately dont drool over mods.
    20 people on a forum that drool over HE mods will not feature in any statistics.
    And yes my uncle do relate. 99% of people(men and women) dont know anything about vaping. And even if you just take vapers, I think more than 50% of them dont even know about rda/rta etc, nevermind HE gear.
     
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    I dunno dude, you seem hell bent on proving something.

    Lets me state some facts(not made up figures in my head) on facebook there is 308 members in HE SA group, there is another 212 members on a vendors HE group. This alone is over 500. On this forum there are very few active members, maybe 50 in total active so this forum is very small in HE.

    I on the other hand thank vaping for changing my life, i will spend money on a simple HE box mod just because of aesthetics, every mech mods works virtually the same so i buy what looks good because its a hobby.

    I tried to explain this to a mate of mine, i told him yes they work the same but as humans there are two types.
    1: the ones that think with logic
    2: the ones that think with the want
     
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    Key word “think” , please come with facts and not personal estimates. We have allot of new people joining the forum daily and we do not want to spread false information to them.

    Almost every vaper over 25 i have met is rocking some sort of rebuildable.
     
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    Im not sure what the point of this thread is or what exactly you are expecting from the outcome.

    High end gear has been explained numerous times in other threads.

    It comes down to the same principle as cars.

    Sure a Nissan 1400 can go from point A to B just like a Ferrari or Lambo,or AMG or BMW M,fact is you adapt to your preferences and what you can afford,do I like Ferrari and Lambo,sure as hell I do,do I want to own one even if I could afford it,no.It doesnt meet my requirements,I have a kid that is with me in the car 95% of the time,and its not comfy.

    Same applies to HE gear.

    Many vapers dream of owning certain HE mods or atties,but its just too expensive due to the details in the manufacturing and the rarity of the items.And for most vapers the HE products dont really give what they want from a mod/atty.

    I really love the Solarstorms,I cant afford one,and I know DNA75c will not deliver what I want from a mod,so Im not gonna sell a kidney to try get one.

    High end cars vs normal cars,HE Vape Gear vs Normal Vape Gear,both have their place.

    Also the HE Modders’ customer service in 99% of the time are second to none.
     
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    He feels that we are been ripped of by “plastic” mech mods. He forgot to factor in r&d, materials, labour, time, rent, business costs and profit.

    He also forgets that these modders are not huge companies with huge cash flows and cheaper labour costs.
     
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    Well as I asked before. I understand a handcrafted mod with all kimds of fancy stuff on it. What I dont understand ishow you get to a huge price on a square plastic mod that look like a Pulse with unprofessionally fitted/made connections inside
     
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    Well you the one that started claiming unfounded personal figures on this thread. And I quote.
    " we all drool over HE mods and everyone wants them."
    "We all talk about HE mods on this forum and even go out of our way to go to lay our hands on them"
     
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    “We” as a generalisation. No facts, as you were stating numbers as if fact.

    Im pretty sure i gave you a brief on costs involved with a simple business model.
     
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    Okay main difference in mech squonks...materials used.

    Bolts(V3) and Mollys are CNC’d.The later models all come with silver contacts.

    The Holy from L’Atelier is also done on CNC machine,made from Juma/ultem with silver contacts as well.
    Bolts also come in ultem and acrylic models.

    Frankenskulls which are hella expensive are all engraved by hand as with the FE Bolts as well.

    Supply and Demand,its simple.If theres a demand and quantities are limited,prices will go up.

    If I ask a engineering company to make me 10 “plastic boxes” they gonna charge a massive price,where as if I ask for 100 000,it will cost substantially less.
     
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