New Juice Line Coming ADV NETs

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    To be more clear, in my Bezerker mtl tank (2ml) capacity I rewick after every second tank. The net, s is heavy on the cotton, not so much on coil.
     
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    When you say you have to re wick because it is heavy on the cotton, do you mean residue buildup on the cotton? Or discoloration.
    Looking at the pic I posted, that wick is still 100%. No bits of gunk, well saturated so still wicking well. Just the color of the juice.
     
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    Residue built up.
     
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    :aaaaa:

    In the beginning I thought maybe I'll do hybrids, coz coils & wicks. But things are going so well I'd prefer to keep em pure.

    Maybe a few hybrids later, if there is demand, for the lil pods.

    Methinks this stuff is gooooood, and more even gooder to come. :inlove:

    Would I swap my favourite ex-wife for this?

    I think that is a yes. >:)

    And she's a doozy.
     
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    R&D batches are relatively small, coz waste. Production has a long lead time, several months. So the first NETs we will release will be the final R&D batches which means that for a few months stocks will be limited, unfortunately.

    We will be starting our first production batches next week, as we release the approved R&D batches.

    First up will be ADV Black Cavendish. Hopefully more, much more, to come soon!

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    I's chuffed no end!
     
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    I definitely want to give it a try, sounds very interesting!
     
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    Awesome news, count me in!!!
    Will be keen to see your prices compared to Stixx Mixx, etc...
     
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    Stixx Mix is DIY, we are juice I'm afraid. We've tried the DIY market wayz back and left it for good. Wasn't willing to compete with Moirs :D
     
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    I'm in!
     
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    There are two more that are close to release, maybe we will release the triad together, even though that may delay it by a week or so. That way those that are interested can try them without having to pay shipping more than once.

    The other two:

    ADV Fruit Flake.png ADV Latakia.png
     
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    NETs are heavier on coils/wicks than simple unsweetened juice, whodavthought. I say unsweetened, because I've seen some horror-shows out there with sweetened juice, especially chocolaty sweetened juice, that would put any NET to shame in the gunking dept.

    So NETs are used mainly in RTAs and RDAs where rewicking is easy and quick.

    It's important though not to confuse discoloring with gunking. Dark juice turns wicks dark, imagine that. Question is not how dark the wick or juice is but how it clogs up the works.

    I've had some great results over the past few months in this dept. So much so that I am thinking of bringing in 3 versions of every product, a light one for commercial/stock coils, a full one for RTAs and a strong version for RDAs. In the lighter juice the top notes are prominent. The darker it gets more of the fuller bottom notes come to the fore. The RTA version I'm aiming at a full balance.

    The lighter one is of course the greatest challenge, maximum coil/wick life but not weak flavour.

    My aim is about 15-20ml on a stock coil, 10-15ml on RTA and 5-7ml on RDA. Or better. I'd like to know how you feel about those targets please.

    I am developing on a simple round wire 0.75 ohm 28ga SS at 15W. I'm focusing mainly on Cavendish for this exercise, (but not exclusively,) as the Cavendish process brings a lot of sugars out in the leaf. Sugars play hell with coils.
     
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    The NETs will be in the same packaging options as our other juices, with the same options for base ratios and nic content. The extract contains no detectable (outside maybe lab conditions for miniscule amounts) nicotine so any nic has to be added in the same way as the other juice.

    Base ratio I used in testing is 50/50, not our normal 70/30, as I feel tobaccos do better at lower VG levels, but that's up to your personal preference.
     
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    Our packaging and presentation will be the same as our normal juices to keep pricing down, so no pretentious and expensive packaging. Pricing will just include a little nod to the long R&D and production process. A little tip of the hat, if you will, to the efforts of the slave labour used to research, produce and offer these NETs.

    No need to feel bad though, the slave labour enjoys the challenge :D and just hopes you enjoy the end product.
     
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    To clarify, will the NET's be available as concentrates, ie 10ml bottles for DIY?
     
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    No, we will not go back to DIY.
     
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    One of the biggest challenges faced when developing a commercial juice is gauging the type of profile that most users enjoy. Not necessarily what you enjoy yourself. This is even more challenging when it comes to NETs. Vaping a NET is not the same experience as smoking the tobacco it is made of, there is no combustion of plant material. The closest description I have seen is that the NET tastes like the tobacco smells. Not totally true though.

    We have three more extractions nearing completion, and I have quite a few other tobaccos I'd love to explore. But we don't want to end up with too many choices that become intimidating and confusing either.

    These will sort itself out over time, the problem being that with NETs that timeframe is very long. I'd like to speed up the process somewhat if I can with more educated decisions as to what I should pursue.

    So once again I turn to tobacco vapers.

    Some tobaccos have strong top notes, be it caramel, vanilla, rum, cherry, fruity, even grassy when it comes to Virginia. Cavendish creates sweetness in the tobacco. Virginia as well to a lesser extent.

    Others have a more earthy tone. Latakia can be described as vaping a campfire.

    Cased, or aromatic, tobaccos have a lot of the abovementioned top notes, uncased not. English type blends tend to be stronger and earthier, often blended with Latakia and Perique.

    If you imagine your perfect tobacco vape, what are you looking for in it?

    I aim to have some to offer of the different types, but I can already see at least 20 variations which would make @ADV-Des beat me with a baseball bat. :rocket: She's the one that has to handle and manage all the variations and options, which is already vast in our present setup.

    Currently I'm focusing on pipe tobaccos, but at some stage there may also be cigar.
     
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    I think the pricing looks really reasonable!

    Im not a tobacco vaper (yet?) but wish you every success!
     
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    Definitely, I was expecting a much high price
     
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    I've seen a few on the internet say that NETs don't need steeping, the logic applied says because of the long extraction process they are steeped.

    I suppose if you are vaping the extraction directly that holds water, but that's not how it works. A concentrate is extracted and mixed like any other concentrate into a juice with or without nic.

    They need steeping please. Just a few days if you really can't wait, else a week will do. Just give it time to mix properly with the fresh VG/PG/Nic added. You won't regret it.
     
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    1 of each ordered, will try my best to wait it out :rolleyes:
     
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    Please bear with me while I waffle on a bit about coils, wicks & gunking, as I see it.

    NETs gunk up coils & wicks faster than normal juice. Everybody says 'Aye'. I say maybe, depends.

    On a lot of factors. Amount of plant material, waxes, resins, tars etc. present in the juice is a major factor, of course. But other things come into play IMHO.

    We all know chocolate, cocoa etc. flavourings are hard on coils & wicks. So the make-up of the juice is one set of factors.

    A coupla years ago we were developing a rather innocuous fruit juice, I think it was the Cherry Twist if I remember correctly. Running it through a tank I was extremely surprised to find major coil gunking. WTF. Analyzed all the ingredients, no, none should have caused it. Tried again, same result.

    Tried again, this time with a bit higher wattage. Clean coils. Vaporizing point of some ingredients, or a combo of ingredients. Maybe.

    Maybe simply because it was wicking too well, set wattage couldn't vaporize fast enough, drowning the coil and boiling the juice , causing a buildup on coil of what is known as gunking goo in the scientific circles I move in.

    A 1 ohm coil at 2mm dia wicks much slower than a 1 ohm coil at 3mm dia. Both coils will heat up similarly at a given wattage, but the 3mm coil will be fed with much more juice. If I'm wrong, please explain?

    Thus the larger dia coil needs to run at higher wattage to cope with the feed. Methinks.

    Since that day, I've never had gunked up coils, on any juice. Discolored wicks and coils, yes. Gunk, not really. Unless the juice contains waxes, tars and materials that do not vaporize.

    So when you say you vape at 1ohm, 15 watts, coil dia is an important factor to include.
     
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    Hmmm, 0.7ohm, 2.5mm and between 20-25watts, I should be ok
     
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    I've been running it in an OBS Nano, RDL, 0.75 ohm, 3mm dia at 15-17 watts and have had no gunking, just discoloration. So I would say yes, unless you get dry hits that'll be fine. You may find different notes at a bit lower wattage if you play around.

    The mix is pretty robust, so no need to tiptoe around it to extract flavour. I settled on that, as these ultra-fragile NETs seem to defeat the object of the exercise in trying to be light on coils.

    Slightly spaced coils may also help. The thing is not too worry about the colour, but the actual gunk in wick and coil. I have not really found any gunk.

    bc 20 2.jpg bc 20 2c.jpg bc 20 2d.jpg

    This is the strength I settled on, after 5ml. Tried many tanks, all the same. Dark but effectively no gunk.
     
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    Perique and latakia were some of my favorite profiles to play with when I still did DIY. Interested to see the feedback here and maybe order some.