Yes go tell that to Poppie van der Merwe
Should parents be allowed to spank their children?
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Agreed.
I got spankings when I was naughty and I learnt manners, respect and discipline. These spankings did not turn me into an abusive husband nor did they did not turn me into a bully. I mean the last time I got into a fist fight was in 2001 when I stood up to a bully in high school.
There is however a line between disciplining your child and abusing your child - cases of child abuse must be investigated and stopped but outright banning any method in which you choose to discipline your child is ridiculous.
That's 2 good lessons right there... Maintain neighbourly relationships and how to bend the rules without breaking em
Sure lets equate slamming a child's head into furniture vs a few smacks on the ass...
Murder is already illegal and how that was classified. We do not need to suddenly think all punishments will kill...
Never heard of anyone with a hiding have any worse than a day of sitting lightly as a consequence. Just because some people are absolute idiots does not mean the government can tell everyone how to behave.
"Acceptable" punishments apparently include depriving the kid of toys or internet. Some parents deprive their kids of food and water, both is deprivation now is that also going to be illegal?
Abusers will find a way to hurt those they can no matter what, we do not need to label loving parents trying to teach a lasting lesson as abusers just because some take it too far.
They did not try to murder her, they gave her numerous hidings. The force, agression, emotions differ from everyone.
What will happen if anybody can produce medicine at their house and sell it, no control. How many will die?
There are rules and laws regarding your car(asset) so you dont drive it to fast, keep it roadworthy etc. So why not for your biggest asset?
A child is not only a parents most valuable asset but also a nation's. You can not have every second idiot just assaulting their kids in the name of parenting. So how do you control that? How do you control the force, the aggression etc? You make it illegal.
There was people living next to Poppie that had seen the hidings, they did nothing, because parents may punish their children. If the laws was set in 2016 and the neighbours called police Poppie would still be alive.
So if you never heard of a kid that worst case could not sit for a day. Poppie van der merwe. They did not try to kill her, just punish. You can read the same stories weekly in the media or just go to any foster homes.
There are idots everywhere, that dont stop at stop streets, go over speed limit, drink and drive. Cheat on taxes, break smoking laws,, steal, cheat on spouses, rassists, drunks etc. They are all around us, but you want all these idiots to have free will to do to the nations biggest assets what they want?
Criminals don't care about the law, that's why they are called criminals. Our last president was a criminal. We have one of the highest rates of violent crime and murder in the world. Cape Town was around 15th and Jhb around something like 21st. Do the laws stop any of them?
You can't trust the ANC to keep your lights on, you can't trust them to ensure water comes out your taps. You can't trust them not to "corruption" your tax money away. You can't trust them to keep you safe in your own home. You can only trust them to ensure you pay your taxes.
And now you want to give the ANC the right to take away your free will? Have you considered running for president?
I grew up in a household where short tempers flared and anger was always the trigger for punishment. Don't get me wrong, my parents took care of me and did more than any parent ever should for their child and I had a financially stable upbringing with lots of opportunities.
When I was punished growing up it was usually when my dad couldn't control his anger. It was always over the top and I had on a few occasions been beaten rather than smacked, looking back on it now, I lacked respect because my parents instilled fear instead of support into my life.
My rule is that discipline is not fear. Your child must know that their actions have consequences but under no circumstances must you instil fear into them.
I am all for giving a smack, but don't have kids if you can't control your anger. Simple.
When I was punished growing up it was usually when my dad couldn't control his anger. It was always over the top and I had on a few occasions been beaten rather than smacked, looking back on it now, I lacked respect because my parents instilled fear instead of support into my life.
My rule is that discipline is not fear. Your child must know that their actions have consequences but under no circumstances must you instil fear into them.
I am all for giving a smack, but don't have kids if you can't control your anger. Simple.
What is this free will? Do you have free will if you want to pay taxes? Free will how fast you may drive? Free will using drugs?
Funny that adults cant give other adults even a light hiding then they will go to court but you want free will to assault kids.
Funny thing is. Anybody giving their kids a small smack in the privacy of your home will never get noticed. The ones that cant control their anger in public or assault their kids so hard that teachers can see the evidence, they the ones that will be sorted with this law, and they the ones that should be.
Teenage mom has a child. She's 16, when she turns 24 the kid turns 8. She gives kid a small hiding. Kid calls child services. Mom gets criminal record. Mom can't get a decent job. Mom can't afford kid. Child services take kid. Mom gets mentally ill. Child grows up with issues.
I understand what you're saying. But Child abuse is not the same thing as a hiding. A hiding doesn't leave bruises. You cannot merge the two into one definition. Child abuse is already illegal. And any law that prevents someone from beating their child is not going to deter the kind of people who will beat their children.
"What is this free will? Do you have free will if you want to pay taxes?" will how fast you may drive? Free will using drugs?
If you live in a country, you use the infrastructure. Therefore you pay taxes. You get free lighting on the streets, roads to commute on. If you don't want to pay taxes, don't live in civilisation... That has nothing to do with free will. The government is not holding you down here. They don't force you to partake in the monetary system. The roads are a public space. You can drive as fast as you want. But there are consequences. Free will does not mean no consequences. And since roads are public space you governed by laws for the safety of others. If you take your car to a track or private road you are free to drive any speed you desire.
Drugs are a different story and I agree with you here. People should be allowed to do what they want with their bodies. Portugal has the right attitude with regards to drugs.
This went on a tangent. But I don't really understand how anyone is going to benefit from this law. The day they take away our guns will be the end of the country and that's something they're pushing quite hard at the moment. No one will benefit from stricter gun laws. Only the criminals who don't use legal guns in the first place. Same concept. You're not stopping the bad guys with stupid laws.
Laws is not just put there because someone thought, hey lets make a law. There is many studies showing how bad drugs are on society, how it influence the extra burden on medical care, how it influence families, kids upbringing with drug addict parents. The negatives on society by dugs is endless.
Surely you cant think that someone just did some tumbsucking that you cant give your kids a hiding?
As for end of the country when they take our guns? Well allthough I did my military service and can handle guns well, I never owned a gun and see no reason to do so. Never needed it and live just aswell as my neighbour with his guns.
It seems I'm not very good at getting my point across. You're correct, spanking should be illegal.
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POLL CLOSES THURSDAY 26TH @ 22:45
POLL RESULTS
Question: Should parents be allowed to spank their children? Yes/No
Number of Votes: 34
Yes: 88.2%
No: 11.8%
The tribe has spoken. Spank away!
Question: Should parents be allowed to spank their children? Yes/No
Number of Votes: 34
Yes: 88.2%
No: 11.8%
The tribe has spoken. Spank away!
It appears that the poll was a hit
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Henrik Ibsen would dissagree
Show yourself out.
My only intention with my post was some witty humor. I realise this has been interpreted the wrong way and I am sorry if it has offended you or anyone else.
For the record, I am the proud father of 2 sons and 3 daughters and would not advocate the beating of any child under any circumstances, nor any violence against any adult, female or male, for that matter.
My only intention with my post was some witty humor.
Oh absolutely! And it hit the mark (pun intended)
This is such a tricky one. I grew up in a proper boerehuis, so was spanked all the time. To be honest, it may have worked when I was small, but when I reached my teenage years I could not care less as that punishment was not really threatening to me anymore. And did the spankings teach me anything? Probably not.
I think most parents spank their kids out of anger and frustration from a certain situation when kids are just being total assholes. And then are you doing it to help your kid, or yourself?
I am not against spanking when the situation calls for it. If your kids is busy doing something that could harm themselves, like running mindlessly in a parking lot, and your talking amd reasoning is not working...I think one "smack" on the backside to just reset them and get out of their mania is ok. There the alternative is them running in front of cars so something had to be done. But, doing it just because they won't listen and you are getting upset is something different.
I also can't agree with the argument of "if we don't do it they grow up with no manners etc". South Africa is not the only country in this world, and our way is not the only way. Many countries have outlawed this and their kids grow up to be brilliant adults.
Those of us who got spanked should ask ourselves how many times we got spanked? We often hear "I was spanked nearly every day and it worked". It surely did not if so many spankings were needed, right?
I think most parents spank their kids out of anger and frustration from a certain situation when kids are just being total assholes. And then are you doing it to help your kid, or yourself?
I am not against spanking when the situation calls for it. If your kids is busy doing something that could harm themselves, like running mindlessly in a parking lot, and your talking amd reasoning is not working...I think one "smack" on the backside to just reset them and get out of their mania is ok. There the alternative is them running in front of cars so something had to be done. But, doing it just because they won't listen and you are getting upset is something different.
I also can't agree with the argument of "if we don't do it they grow up with no manners etc". South Africa is not the only country in this world, and our way is not the only way. Many countries have outlawed this and their kids grow up to be brilliant adults.
Those of us who got spanked should ask ourselves how many times we got spanked? We often hear "I was spanked nearly every day and it worked". It surely did not if so many spankings were needed, right?
Yeah mate, it's just the standard response to an awful pun. I'm only pulling your leg.
Yeah mate, it's just the standard response to an awful pun. I'm only pulling your leg.
@Chickenstrip I also "misunderstood" your comment. Language can be a problem as every generation has their own vocab. Years ago someone asked me where I live and I replied, "Claremont". "Ah, wicked!!!!" he replied. I reassured him that it wasn't bad at all. There was some crime but nothing to write home about. How was I to know that "wicked" means that it's good???
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