VM - RED PILL - Are you ready for the truth?

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    Due to the amount of ongoing requests from many customers, we have decided to release the original XXX recipe under a separate label/branding... RED PILL. This is the recipe that contains trace amounts of diketones and the flavour profile is quite different to XXX. So XXX and RED PILL will stand as two separate juice offerings.

    The profile of RED PILL is still mixed berries, litchi, elderflower and a dash of ice. The flavour however comes across sweeter and fuller with a slight jammyness, finished off by the refreshing ice. Initially we will release RED PILL only in 100ml. We might consider adding 30ml and/or 200ml at a later stage.

    RED PILL will launch on 15 December 2017!

    :fire: RETAILERS - We are ready to take your order for RED PILL now! :fire:

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    Awesome news @Oupa! Looking forward to giving this a try :D
     
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    And just for the record this is the juice I have been vaping as my ADV 99.99% of the time for the last 2 years!
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    @Oupa That is great news. This is the recipe that got me addicted to XXX.
    Please update thread of retailers that will be stocking it.
     
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    Will update closer to the time... list of retailers is growing ;-)
     
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    YES PLEASE !!! I have also been ADV'ing this juice for the last year or so... love the branding Benji !!! Will you be changing the std XXX to blue pill :p?
     
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    Congrats @Oupa !
    Wishing you all the best with it
     
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    The truth is killing me now! I own a BB and Vape XXX purely because of @Rob Fisher, finding out now that there is a different take on XXX..... I am strangely excited, need to find a bottle of this ASAP.
     
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    @Cornelius Once you try this it is GAME OVER. The RED PILL is addictive.
    I have like 5ml left of a 100ML bottle :( I should have got an extra bottle.
     
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    I read the first line and thought for a moment @Oupa is giving the XXX recipe out.

    Looking forward to the old/new take on this legend.
     
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    Awesome news @Oupa !!!!

    Red Pill is in a league of it's own! So happy you decided to do this!
     
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    The following vendors should have Red Pill in stock from Friday/weekend:

    Gauteng
    The Vape Industry – Sandton
    Vape Odyssey – Horison, Roodepoort
    Vape King – Fourways
    Vape King – Honeydew, Roodepoort
    Vape King – Northcliff

    Kwazulu-Natal
    Wiener Vape Co. – Richards Bay
    Ohm My e-Cig – Kloof
    Sir Vape – Morningside

    Mpumalanga
    Vape Clouds – Bender, Polokwane
    Lifestyle Vaporium – Lydenburg

    Western Cape
    Vape Cartel – Plumstead
    Juicy Joes – Durbanville
    Juicy Joes – Table View

    More will be added soon.
     
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    I'm very interested in why one would release a juice with diketones.

    Is it because they have been 'proven' to be almost harmless?

    Is it because the trace amounts are so low?

    Seems very odd to me. Twisp recalled hundreds of thousands of Rands worth of their cubano flavour. Because of "trace amounts of diketones" subsequently they sued the supplier as they stated "diketones free".

    So yeah, why would one release juice with a chemical that is generally accepted as harmful?

    Literally just curious. I won't buy this juice because of it.

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    Thank you for posting this @Spyro, I wasn’t aware of diketones so I’ll do some googling on that now.

    I was considering getting this juice, but now I’m undecided. Could other forum members please chime in regarding the diketones issue?
     
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    Good question, thank you @Spyro

    Well the opposite is also true, diketones have not been proven to cause lung damage. Well not in the trace amounts found in most eliquids.

    We have changed all our recipes that contained diketones more than 2 years ago and will continue to produce diketone free eliquids. Are you aware that there are still plenty of eliquid manufacturers around the world that produce eliquid with diketones, but without stating it on their labels.

    Due to a massive amount of our customers requesting the diketone containing recipe, we have however made the decision to release it, but to clearly state it to contain trace amounts of diketones on the label. Customers can then make an informed decision to use it or not.
     
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    @Oupa, I don't believe I said they were harmful but rather that they have been "proven" to be almost harmless. (In those quantities) with quotes to show that there really isn't a true answer yet. The current consensus seems to be that it's pretty harmless in trace amounts. However, I was just curious as to why one would use those flavours knowingly, which you answered rather nicely.

    I'm very much aware that manufacturers are using all kinds of flavours. Some that leave a waxy layer on top of the juice when it sits. I believe even one of the top dogs, FW if I remember correctly were caught out for advertising diketone free when some of their concentrates did contain said chemicals.

    Is it only the red pill that contains diketones?

    Thank you for the speedy response
     
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    The answer for me is the flavour, the flavour, the flavour and the flavour. I have been vaping Red Pill aka original XXX for three solid years. It's pretty much the only juice I vape... I have tried eight million other juices and there are even a few juices that I keep for the occasional tank but 99% of the time it's red pill for me.
     
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    Diketones are supporting additives used in flavour concentrates by concentrate manufacturers to create a certain mouthfeel. A fuller or creamier sensation. Sometimes even a buttery or jammy mouthfeel. So the effect in a recipe is quite profound and it is a pity that it has such a bad reputation.
     
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    Diketones are a group of chemicals that includes or can include trace amounts of Diacetyl, which may cause what is commonly known as "popcorn lung".

    Popcorn lung was first identified in workers at a popcorn manufacturer, the cause attributed to the inhalation of Diacetyl which is a flavourant used to give a buttery flavour.

    As even the slightest hint of a harmful product being used in vaping would lead to increased criticism and in an effort to keep vaping as safe as possible, most manufacturers of ejuice have discontinued the use of Diacetyl and all other chemicals the may contain trace amounts of Diacetyl.

    It should, however, be noted that cigarettes contain levels up to 750 times more Diacetyl than ejuice. No reports of popcorn lung from cigarette smokers.

    What is important is that vapers be aware of the dangers of products we inhale and make an informed decision.

    As I understand it, in the case of XXX, when the revelations of the possible danger of Diacetyls were made known, they reformulated XXX to what is on the market today. However, some people have requested the original formulation in spite of the supposed risks of the presence of Diacetyl. They have made an informed decision.

    I apologise to all if I have misunderstood the actions of Vapour Mountain and stand to be corrected on this point.

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    Honestly hope someone in Pretoria will be stocking this. Having been dying to to try this for so long...
     
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    @Oupa I grabbed a bottle from @Sir Vape and I guess it's a 70/30? The bottle is for my cloud compo's :p
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    Is the red pill only available in 100ml? I'm keen to give it a go but I don't see any 30ml available.
    Edit: I'll go for a 100, I went and read the OP.
     
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    I bought out the V5 Vapor Giant Mini and it has a lot more air. :) Red Pill Clouds!
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    Yip 70/30 ;)
     
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