Alcohol based juices

[Kaizer]

Hi all,

I have been lurking around the forums for quite sometime now leeching on the advice and information given by you pro's. I have just read a post by Sir Vape on Facebook titled "The Truth, The Whole Truth and Nothing but the Truth" which talks about the use of alcohol in the creation of e-juice which has caused me to come out from the dark

I was wondering if there might be a possibility of creating a list of products made by our local suppliers that contain alcohol, if there isn't one already please? I'm looking at this from a religious perspective and would possibly use this list to steer myself away from using juices that contain alcohol.

Also, do you think the majority of the premium international juices contain alcohol,eg 5Pawns, Suicide Bunny, Kings Crown, etc? If no list of ingredients is evident on the packaging, how do I find out?

 

[Derick]

In the description of all of our juices on our site, we say whether it contains alcohol or not - usually the last line.

 

[Imthiaz Khan]

Very interesting thread @Kaizer! For religious reasons, I would also like to know which of the international brands are 100% alcohol free.

 

[Sir Vape]

Hi there the Rocket Fuel Vape range does contain traces of alcohol.

 

[Cat]

google it. i think very good chance you find something. (find out something.)
The difficulty for juice makers, though, is that they typically get the flavourants from the big industrial food flavour companies, so they wouldn't know unless they asked the manufacturers. So i think it's generally a matter of "May contain alcohol" ...quite likely you already use sweets or something that is made with flavourants that contain alcohol...although i suppose it is mostly used only for natural flavouring extracts, which is very rare.
Leave the lid off for long enough, it will evaporate.

 

[BigGuy]

Please don't get us wrong all we are wanting to do by writing the article is to make people aware of things where customers might not have even thought about it. We have a large Muslim client base here in Durban and want to have total transparency for our clients.

 

[Marzuq]

Very good thread. Very useful for alot of forum members

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[johan]

I guess all commercial NET type e-juice contain traces of alcohol, as alcohol is a much quicker way to extract the goodness from tobacco than PG.

 

[Mauritz]

Our site and bottles note flavours that contain ethyl alcohol. We are happy to provide a list should someone like to organise a database.

 

[BigGuy]

Our site and bottles note flavours that contain ethyl alcohol. We are happy to provide a list should someone like to organise a database.

Thanks Mauritz, much appreciated. Maybe admin could set up a list of some sort so that we could add to it as and when we find juice that has alcohol in it or the other bad stuff. Almost like a go to list.

 

[Imthiaz Khan]

@Cat, tried googling it, checked facebook, etc, but could not find the required info for most of the international brands/flavors. For the Muslim community, it will not be permissible for us to vape it even if the alcohol evaporates. We are not trying to start any heated debate here, all we would like to know is whether a juice is safe for us to vape or not.
@BigGuy, I honestly don't think there's any harm in you creating awareness and I really appreciate that you have taken the time to get the proper information from your suppliers. It also shows your genuine concern and consideration for your customers which is really admirable and great to see!

 

[BigGuy]

@Imthiaz Khan As-salamu alaykum. Thank you for your kind words, we have always believed in honesty is the best policy and knowing that we live in such i divers community that giving you the consumer the information to make an informed decision is the right way to go. We just hope that we can find Juices available for you so that you can continue to stay off the analogs or smellies. Please be aware that we will do everything in our power to supply you a range that is totally alcohol free.

 

[Imthiaz Khan]

@BigGuy, Wa'Alaikum Salaam. Thank you so much! Totally agree with you, it is the definitely the right way to go as this enables a person to make an informed decision. Truly and greatly appreciate the support and the trustworthiness you have demonstrated here

 

[BigGuy]

I will gather the information on the various juices that we have had confirmation that alcohol is used in the process and post them in this thread this information is directly from the manufacturers so i have no reason to doubt them. And local suppliers like Craft Vapour and Just B have said they will supply a full list of juice that contain and that don't contain any form of alcohol.

 

[Imthiaz Khan]

Great! Thank you @BigGuy!

 

[Imthiaz Khan]

Vendors, if you can possibly please assist with the regards to the international juices that you stock, it will be highly appreciated.
@Stroodlepuff, @Gizmo, @KieranD, @RevnLucky7, @ShaneW

Many thanks

 

[KieranD]

On it
I will find out for you guys

 

[Imthiaz Khan]

Thank you @KieranD! Really appreciate it

 

[RevnLucky7]

As stated in the main product discriptions on our website... Not sure if I did this for all... Our liquids are alcohol free. You're very seldom going to find a high end commercial juice that uses alcohol as a flavor carrier. In fact, I'm yet to come accross one.

I know of one company that uses alcohol to extract, but there's heating and cooling methods involved that completely evaporates the alcohol content.

Alcohol carriers were common under synthetic flavorings and I use to see many of them on sites like TFA. This was a few years back though so I'm not sure if this still is the case.

Anyone stocking a commercial line... I can probably say with 99.9% they do not contain any alcohol. Alcohol just like PG is harsh on the throat, a sensation juice makers want to avoid as we all love that smooth textured vape we've grown so accustomed to.

Even if a juice states it contains notes of brandy, whiskey or whatever.... You're most likely still save. Alcohol in high end lines is practically unheard of.

Hope this helps.

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[Imthiaz Khan]

Thank you for your input and information @RevnLucky7! Appreciated

 

[RevnLucky7]

Thank you for your input and information @RevnLucky7! Appreciated

Np.

It's good that you ask questions though.
Don't just take my word for it. Do your homework. God only knows what goes into juices when they're mixed it home kitchens.

 

[Imthiaz Khan]

@RevnLucky7, my thinking here with regards to International juices is that you guys (vendors) are buying from the suppliers of these juices, therefore it might be easier for you to get the information from them instead of us trying to contact them and questioning them on their products.

 

[Derick]

The alcohol in TFA (and other) flavours is used as a solvent, because certain chemicals ("natural" or synthetic) tend to separate when mixed together - and in certain cases PG does simply not do a good enough job.

So in a bottle of concentrated flavours less that 0.1% of Ethyl Alcohol is used (according to TFA) - we use maybe 8% flavouring in a standard e-liquid - which means in your final e-liquid contains 8% of 0.1% Ethyl Alcohol (the math guys can work that one out) - I cannot see how this minuscule amount is supposed to be a flavour carrier.

In fact, by law - when quantities are that low I can regard it as non-existent and I do not even need to declare them. So I can legally call all our e-liquids "alcohol free" if I wished to do so.

So Why don't I?

I may not be religious myself, but I do respect other people's freedom of choice when it comes to religion - and I respect that they have rules and beliefs that they would like to adhere to, so I openly declared it, since the first time I had a query on it.

 

[RevnLucky7]

@RevnLucky7, my thinking here with regards to International juices is that you guys (vendors) are buying from the suppliers of these juices, therefore it might be easier for you to get the information from them instead of us trying to contact them and questioning them on their products.

I do. Many others however go via distributors like Wolfpack... So it's not always that simple, unless you mange to get in touch with the actual manufacturer.

There isn't a single American juice line available in SA that contains alcohol, I can say that for sure, save for 5P. That throat hit they drop on top must come from somewhere. I'd have to check on that.

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[johan]

The alcohol in TFA (and other) flavours is used as a solvent, because certain chemicals ("natural" or synthetic) tend to separate when mixed together - and in certain cases PG does simply not do a good enough job.

So in a bottle of concentrated flavours less that 0.1% of Ethyl Alcohol is used (according to TFA) - we use maybe 8% flavouring in a standard e-liquid - which means in your final e-liquid contains 8% of 0.1% Ethyl Alcohol (the math guys can work that one out) - I cannot see how this minuscule amount is supposed to be a flavour carrier.

In fact, by law - when quantities are that low I can regard it as non-existent and I do not even need to declare them. So I can legally call all our e-liquids "alcohol free" if I wished to do so.

So Why don't I?

I may not be religious myself, but I do respect other people's freedom of choice when it comes to religion - and I respect that they have rules and beliefs that they would like to adhere to, so I openly declared it, since the first time I had a query on it.

0.008% will evaporate long before you have the cap completely off.