More discussion on clones

[Gringo]

Seeing that most of you went to bed with a " Bergie " drunk and fed...
Here is a question from a noob, that needs to understand.
Why if it so important to own a HE device, do you need to be " accepted " in to the inner circle ( facebook groups and more by invitation only ) to be able to buy one ?
Im not bashing here, just need to understand...surely making the stuff easily available, will allow for more sales and competition with all the clones ?
After all its just a piece of device used to inhale stuff in to your lungs, not the Mafia ....

 

[jm10]

not the Mafia ....

Ssshhh bud, we dont use the M word around here, remember John? Noooo none of us do anymore.......

 

[Gringo]

Ssshhh bud, we dont use the M word around here, remember John? Noooo none of us do anymore.......

Hahaha sorry... just saying.... now that is a " DEVICE " we surly know, is going to get you killed.

 

[jm10]

Hahaha sorry... just saying.... now that is a " DEVICE " we surly know, is going to get you killed.

Can i tell you honestly why i bought a few expensive rda/rtas...well i thought if spent alittle bit more i would get the best flavour on the market, yeah not always true

I think @M.Adhir will concur with me that you’ll find a combo suited to you thats no were near HE

 

[CeeJay]

Nothing personal, we discussing clones and stealing other people's intellectual property

This started out a Clone discussion and now moved to HE vs LE.

 

[BioHAZarD]

This started out a Clone discussion and now moved to HE vs LE.

Actually it started out as a pro choice discussion and has devolved down into anything goes.
More like a silly season thread

 

[jm10]

This started out a Clone discussion and now moved to HE vs LE.

Hahaha

 

[Gringo]

This started out a Clone discussion and now moved to HE vs LE.

To me it is sort of related.... i think because it is mostly the cloned HE that people buy. Most people do not mind buying a authentic intake,zeuse and more, due to availability and price.

But that is just my take on it...

 

[KZOR]

Just amazes me how outspoken certain individuals can be when they surrounded by like-minded people but as soon as a platform is created where they can debate their point with cognitive diversity then they either bail or never step up to the plate.
I would honestly love to hear their thoughts as it might have the slight chance to convince me to change my mind.
My decisions are primarily based on pro's outweighing cons so please can we get more points from the NCZ members.

 

[BioHAZarD]

Just amazes me how outspoken certain individuals can be when they surrounded by like-minded people but as soon as a platform is created where they debate their point with cognitive diversity then they either bail or never step up to the plate.
I would honestly love to hear their thoughts as it might have the slight chance to convince me to change my mind.
My decisions are primarily based on pro's outweighing cons so please can we get more points from the NCZ members.

we did ask them to play with
in a very nice manner

 

[BioHAZarD]

Points up for discussion

1. Is there any proof that clones are made with inferior/hazardous materials. actual proof
2. How can the assumption be made that clones negatively impact authentic sales by such a huge margin. here i honestly think the vendors are their own worst enemy by bombarding the market with new product continuously which for the most part is not innovative or revolutionary and just creates hype which for the most part is fake.
3. HE runs where sales are being taken away. Those runs never have left over stock.
xxxxxxx any other points to be added?

 

[baksteen8168]

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Which bring me to the point which has been pointed out by others on this thread. If HE manufacturers are only doing small production runs at high costs which equates to profit, would they not start realizing that they could have the cloners make there product for a fraction of the price, increase profit and increase supply whilst bring down the price all or meeting demands to increase sales.

There are several well know manufactures not based on China that sell limited product runs of products which are made China. I have personally experienced quility control issues for just such a device yet I paid HE pricing for some designed outside of China.

I don’t know, think this To Clone or Not To Clone all depends whos side you are. Me, I’m on my side I don’t think it’s cool to get ripped off just because some Company in-house product costs are too high because they are to small. If you making so much money, expand your operation!

My thoughts exactly. Well put @CaliGuy

While I agree that stealing someone's IP isn't right, I also feel that by charging those ridiculous prices for HE gear that they are just asking for someone else to clone it. I get that R&D needs to be factored into the end price, but there is no way that it costs R20 000 to make that item.

 

[jm10]

The hell? We went full circle

 

[jm10]

Just amazes me how outspoken certain individuals can be when they surrounded by like-minded people but as soon as a platform is created where they debate their point with cognitive diversity then they either bail or never step up to the plate.
I would honestly love to hear their thoughts as it might have the slight chance to convince me to change my mind.
My decisions are primarily based on pro's outweighing cons so please can we get more points from the NCZ members.

I dont start, pick or want fights so i just sit in the dark, I’m a good guy that doesn’t ruffle the feathers unless it is called for but even then I’m extremely tame.

I prefer a debate with facts so there can be no emotion but the other side always seems to get super emotional.

 

[BioHAZarD]

I dont start, pick or want fights so i just sit in the dark, I’m a good guy that doesn’t ruffle the feathers unless it is called for but even then I’m extremely tame.

I prefer a debate with facts so there can be no emotion but the other side always seems to get super emotional.

since when?
damn we are soooo not friends anymore

 

[baksteen8168]

At least he did not leave on an empty stomach...

...

Thanks @Raindance . I'll be sticking to my diet today as that comment almost made me lose my breakfast

The hell? We went full circle

Hey, I only caught up now

 

[BioHAZarD]

@Dela Rey Steyn ... how was GNR?

 

[baksteen8168]

@Dela Rey Steyn ... how was GNR?

Just had a thought.

When GNR (or any band for that matter) performs live, aren't they cloning their own music?

 

[BioHAZarD]

Just had a thought.

When GNR (or any band for that matter) performs live, aren't they cloning their own music?

i c your title description is totally correct

probably only applicable to a cover band

 

[Dela Rey Steyn]

@Dela Rey Steyn ... how was GNR?

Wonderboom was Epic, G&R was Insane! Venue and Parking was a complete cluster-**** of note, and the R50 beer doesn't taste any better than a normal beer... But would go and see it again in a heartbeat, Slash still kills it on the axe

 

[BioHAZarD]

Wonderboom was Epic, G&R was Insane! Venue and Parking was a complete cluster-**** of note, and the R50 beer doesn't taste any better than a normal beer... But would go and see it again in a heartbeat, Slash still kills it on the axe

awesome buddy
did they actually complete the show

 

[Dela Rey Steyn]

hmmmm.. the form censored my comment? but as long as you abrv the mofo out of it, your fine...

 

[baksteen8168]

i c your title description is totally correct

probably only applicable to a cover band

I hear you, but think of it this way. When the song was recorded, the band was in a sound proof studio with specialized equipment to record all the sounds. At a live concert, the music wont be exactly the same as the recording (so it's not 1:1) and the live sound equipment won't be able to cater as well as the equipment in a closed studio (so this could possibly refer to "inferior materials" )

 

[Dela Rey Steyn]

did they actually complete the show

Hells yes! even did 2 encores!

 

[jm10]

since when?
damn we are soooo not friends anymore

Im very nice thats why i wanted to chat to @Martin Narainsamy , I’m sure he can see I’m a very approachable person and his input was vital here. You guys should give him a chance to speak his mind.

He voiced his opinion and got shut down which is not right, so i say give him a proper chance so maybe just maybe we could see some errors in our ways?