Man dies from "vape pen" explosion

Yes, probably a mech seeing as the grandmother had to go find the battery. I would think there'd be nothing to find if it was a vape pen battery. But without detail we can only speculate.

Still a very sad thing to have happen.
 
What next, rewrapped 4 battery’s this weekend, rather safe than sorry. Especially carefull of the 21700, think they may lift you off the floor. And I build high.:D
 
My wife sent me photo's of this incident.I've been trying so hard to convince her that vaping is not that dangerous...well this put me back a few Stepps.
 
Looking at the other articles from the front page I won't rate that site as very newsworthy. It's more gossip and sensationalism than anything else.
 
This story made it onto Cape Talk this morning.

Mechs should just be banned! The bad publicity vaping gets from these incidents is just not worth it...
 
BubiSparks said:
This story made it onto Cape Talk this morning.

Mechs should just be banned! The bad publicity vaping gets from these incidents is just not worth it...
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I dont think so, I just think stores should take precautions and make sure users are capable and experienced enough to use them.

I think it was Sir Vape who refused to sell a customer a mech due to their inexperience around a year back.
 
Driving a virtual dead short with a high energy Li-Ion cell is just a BAD idea. You need current limiting to be a LOT safer.

Look, I have a few mechs, but don't really use them, it's just too risky. With an electronic device I know my resistance, I know my cell status, I know my voltage and I know my current - it's all live on screen. Above all I know that if anything goes wrong on my build I have current limiting.

In electrical engineering we are always designing with safety in mind. Mechs have no protection whatsoever.... No certifying institute would pass such a device anywhere in the world.

I know I will get flak for my stance, and everyone has the right to use whatever type of mod they choose, but we are getting so much bad press from these incidents that mech use should just be stopped. Problem is, making your own is so simple that they will probably never dissapear completely.
 
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BubiSparks said:
Running a virtual dead short with a high energy Li-Ion cell is just a BAD idea. You need current limiting to be a LOT safer.

Look, I have a few mechs, but don't really use them, it's just too risky. With an electronic device I know my resistance, I know my cell status, I know my voltage and I know my current - it's all live on screen. Above all I know that if anything goes wrong on my build I have current limiting.

In electrical engineering we are always designing with safety in mind. Mechs have no protection whatsoever.... No certifying institute would pass such a device anywhere in the world.

I know I will get flak for my stance, and everyone has the right to use whatever type of mod they choose, but we are getting so much bad press from these incidents that mech use should just be stopped. Problem is, making your own is so simple that they will probably never dissapear completely.
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Fair points. Mechs should not be allowed for the general public but as with generators, I know a few people that use suicide plugs e.g. below.

I didn't use this route as my wife may be required to hook the genny up and she is absent minded at the best of times!
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I agree that mechs can give vaping a bad name.
All it takes is a few mistakes and injuries and the media take it and fly with it.

Not sure how many of these incidents are a result of inexperience / lack of knowledge on safety issues - but I would imagine quite a high percentage.

The only mech I use is my Reo. I am very careful with it - always check the coil resistance and make sure my batteries are far from being stressed. Am also happy it has the hot spring at least so if there is a short it should help. And that there is more than enough ventilation so its unlikely to "explode". Been using my Reos carefully for about 5 years now and never had an issue. Hope that will continue...
 
The ''funny'' thing is that this guy was a qualified electrical engineer(sorry, a registered electrician) according to the article....
If anyone was supposed to know better it was him.:roto2palm:
 
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Drikusw said:
The ''funny'' thing is that this guy was a qualified electrical engineer according to the article....
If anyone was supposed to know better it was him.:roto2palm:
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You have no idea how many engineers I know that use suicide plugs!
 
CMMACKEM said:
I dont think so, I just think stores should take precautions and make sure users are capable and experienced enough to use them.
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As I've said before, placing the onus on store owners rather than manufacturers is the long way around. What is the easier solution: placing the onus on every single appliance store sales person to explain to customers that the microwave oven they're buying will nuke their hand if they turn it on without closing the door? Or having manufacturers install a fail-safe mechanism that the microwave won't switch on unless the door is closed?

There is no excuse for this. No JUUL user has ever blown his lips off with the device. This despite many users being high school kids who don't know the first thing about electrical circuits or safety.

Vaping is set to expand into retail chains like Spar, Clicks, PnP, convenience stores at petrol stations, etc, as it becomes more mainstream and widely accepted. Requiring every employee of these retailers to have training in battery safety is just ludicrous. The onus should be on manufacturers not on retailers. If mechs cannot fit in with this ethos then mechs have to go. The retail world is not going to change to fit in with mechs. Mechs need to change to fit in with the retail world.
 
It is sad but like this has been said before what about those of us that use mechs only.
I have only 1 vw device the other 3 are mechs.
I never had an incident.
So I agree the onus should be on the stores selling mechs,there should be a test given to people wanting to purchase mechs.
 
People must also realise that regulated mods are not 100% safe.

You still rely on the chip and quality of the connections, etc.
 
This has been all over the news today in South Africa, yet it happend in Texas, USA: https://www.news24.com/World/News/american-man-dies-after-e-cigarette-explodes-in-his-face-20190207

Again probably a new vaper who doesn't have a clue what he is doing, probably has no idea about Ohm's law or battery care. That gives vaping a bad name. Did the shop he bought it from not give him any advice? Did he vape regulated mods before but didn't know his ohms law? How can we prevent it from happening in our country?
 
RichJB said:
As I've said before, placing the onus on store owners rather than manufacturers is the long way around. What is the easier solution: placing the onus on every single appliance store sales person to explain to customers that the microwave oven they're buying will nuke their hand if they turn it on without closing the door? Or having manufacturers install a fail-safe mechanism that the microwave won't switch on unless the door is closed?

There is no excuse for this. No JUUL user has ever blown his lips off with the device. This despite many users being high school kids who don't know the first thing about electrical circuits or safety.

Vaping is set to expand into retail chains like Spar, Clicks, PnP, convenience stores at petrol stations, etc, as it becomes more mainstream and widely accepted. Requiring every employee of these retailers to have training in battery safety is just ludicrous. The onus should be on manufacturers not on retailers. If mechs cannot fit in with this ethos then mechs have to go. The retail world is not going to change to fit in with mechs. Mechs need to change to fit in with the retail world.
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You will never find a mech in these mass retailers so advice on safety is not necessarily relevant. Mechs are speciality items sold in specialty stores,

Customer's rarely interact with the manufacturer so it is not the manufacturer's responsibility, stores should be providing training or safety advice and many in SA do.

Mechs have a place as there are people that swear on using them. Me personality, I will never go near one no matter how many times I am told that I am missing out.
 
The general idea is that nobody should be giving or receiving training. What can you buy from Takealot where they'll stop processing the order until they've given you safety training, or what can you buy from Game where they won't let you leave the shop until they've given you safety training?

If mechs aren't safe, regulators will ban them. Even Duncan Hunter, the most pro-vaping Congressman in the US, has said that mechs will have to go. The only reason mechs have been allowed up to now is because there hasn't been an international standard for vaping devices. But ISO is in the process of finalising the standard. Once that is done and countries start adopting it as their national standard, mechs will either have to include built-in safety features or they won't get market approval.

This applies to all products. Paraffin stoves used to tip over and start fires in informal settlements. So the SA national standard for paraffin stoves was rewritten with safety features added to eliminate that risk. The manufacturers had to redesign and resubmit their stoves for testing against the standard before they were allowed back into the market. Regulators don't accept "the user must just be careful and not knock the stove over". That is not how consumerism works in the 21st century. Manufacturers are held accountable.
 
RichJB said:
The general idea is that nobody should be giving or receiving training. What can you buy from Takealot where they'll stop processing the order until they've given you safety training, or what can you buy from Game where they won't let you leave the shop until they've given you safety training?

If mechs aren't safe, regulators will ban them. Even Duncan Hunter, the most pro-vaping Congressman in the US, has said that mechs will have to go. The only reason mechs have been allowed up to now is because there hasn't been an international standard for vaping devices. But ISO is in the process of finalising the standard. Once that is done and countries start adopting it as their national standard, mechs will either have to include built-in safety features or they won't get market approval.

This applies to all products. Paraffin stoves used to tip over and start fires in informal settlements. So the SA national standard for paraffin stoves was rewritten with safety features added to eliminate that risk. The manufacturers had to redesign and resubmit their stoves for testing against the standard before they were allowed back into the market. Regulators don't accept "the user must just be careful and not knock the stove over". That is not how consumerism works in the 21st century. Manufacturers are held accountable.
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I agree most of your post.

Products from Game and takealot have usually have a safety guide inside of the instructions.

Manufacturers are not usually held accountable. The finger is often pointed at the retailer and there is nothing that will change that in the mind of consumers thus my point, especially if there are no safety instructions. A retailer(specialist) must give training or at least a background of the product.
 
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The retailer is not responsible. When Ford Kuga vehicles started catching fire, who did they blame - the car dealership that sold the car or Ford? When Samsung Note 7 phones started exploding, who did they blame - cell phone shops or Samsung? It's the manufacturer's product, the retailer is not responsible for the design.
 
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