The lower the better or not so much?

[ShaneW]

This has been bugging me for a while and will probably be pretty controversial ...

There has been a massive switch to lower nic and I've seen most people moving from 18mg or 12mg to 6mg and 3mg. The reason for this is RDAs and higher power devices.
I've resisted joining this side of the fence as I have some reservations.

Most people are proud of the fact that they've managed to drop to lower nic but essentially what have you done? You increased the vapour volume to maintain the same nicotine intake level.

We are still in a time where we are not entirely sure what the long term effect of vaping is going to be... Do we really want to be increasing our vapour intake unnecessarily?

Am I wrong here?

 

[Yusuf Cape Vaper]

Yes we want to increase our vapor intake


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[ShaneW]

Yes we want to increase our vapor intake


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You just wanna blow clouds

 

[Andre]

I, for one, totally agree with you. And with the clouds comes high power, which the science suggest could be detrimental. On the other hand the science also suggest the nicotine is not addictive at all and, at the most, as harmful as caffeine.

One, however, should bear in mind that this movement (big clouds, high power) is much in the minority and even considered a sub-culture. The majority, as always, is silent.

Though it does seem to me that even the majority strives to lower the nicotine content of their jooses, for whatever reason. Maybe because nicotine has acquired such a bad rap through tobacco smoking.

 

[Yusuf Cape Vaper]

You just wanna blow clouds

To be honest, I've actually become sorta chilled on my cloud intake today was the first time in a bit more than a month that I blew clouds at super-subohm level I've fallen in love with RTAs and the new clearos (arctic and subtank). Dripping has become a task. However, to keep it in line with the thread, I used to blow clouds at a 0.08/0.1 build with 4-6mg juice. I am now Vaping an arctic with a 0.5 and a goblin with a 0.4, with 3-6mg juice much less clouds, but I get the same satisfaction.


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[Rob Fisher]

I'm with @ShaneW and @Andre here too... I keep seeing people drop to 3mg and am wondering why I'm still on 9mg and have been for a long time now... and this now makes sense... it's because I'm still on the 1,1Ω coils and happy...

 

[Rob Fisher]

And to add to the theory... on my Atlantis 0,5Ω coils I use 3mg... but that's only about 3% of my usage!

 

[Yusuf Cape Vaper]

I'm with @ShaneW and @Andre here too... I keep seeing people drop to 3mg and am wondering why I'm still on 9mg and have been for a long time now... and this now makes sense... it's because I'm still on the 1,1Ω coils and happy...

I started off vaping 18mg (Liqua), and then suddenly dropped to 12mg when I moved over to more premium juices. Same devices. Evod1/maxi/iClear16


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[Andre]

I'm with @ShaneW and @Andre here too... I keep seeing people drop to 3mg and am wondering why I'm still on 9mg and have been for a long time now... and this now makes sense... it's because I'm still on the 1,1Ω coils and happy...

And at our age, nicotine is good for a lot of memory related and other problems

 

[ShaneW]

As an example...
August last year I used to sell 70% 12mg, 20% 6mg 10% 18mg.
December last year 40% 12mg, 55% 6mg, 5% 18mg
Now 25% 12mg, 60% 6mg, 10% 3mg, 5% 18mg

These are just rough figures but it shows the trend. There's no denying, the amount of clouds at vape meets has increased dramatically.

 

[ShaneW]

My concern is not about the nicotine, it's about all the other ingredients. By dropping nic you having to double or quadruple your vapour production.

 

[yuganp]

I also think it it has to do with the efficiency of the devices that was used. When I first started, 3ohm coils where the norm and lr was a 2ohm coil. This was not enough to get me of cigs with 24mg juices. This was also the days with high pg juices.

Now with higher content of vg, we can go higher power without the harshness of pg. This could slow lower nic content. I am chasing flavour over throat hit

 

[ShaneW]

And at our age, nicotine is good for a lot of memory related and other problems

I think you're onto something. I'm always losing my car keys but I vary rarely lose my vape

 

[DoubleD]

My concern is not about the nicotine, it's about all the other ingredients. By dropping nic you having to double or quadruple your vapour production.

Exactly, not much studies on the matter makes this an even better question.

The way I've been lowering myself down to 9mg/dayvape and 6mg/nightvape is by diluting either 18mg and/or 12mg jooses I buy, with VG, so flavoring gets cut too.

 

[free3dom]

I've now almost fully switched to 6mg from 12mg (where I started vaping at 8 months ago). I say almost because I still keep some 12mg and even 18mg around for use in some of my older devices (the Kayfun still runs 18mg) and vape those on occasion.

Personally I don't think this trend is due to just one thing (better devices, cloud chasing, etc), I think there are multiple reasons.

Firstly, the devices are better at delivering nicotine - I know this because I could feel the effects of nicotine overdose more frequently as I upgraded - I don't really use that much more power either, maybe 1.5x what I used to (20-30W). I vape slightly more (but not double), but at lower nicotine levels (half) - taking my monthly juice usage as a guage. This still equates a lower overall nicotine intake

Which brings me to the second reason....vaping had a bit of a boom around the time I started and many of those vapers are now completely rid of the cigarette craving (as am I). Because of this I actually take more joy in the vaping and don't really need that much nicotine to sate my cravings, in fact, I find that at lower nicotine I enjoy the vaping more - even at the same power levels as I did on higher nicotine.

Now these are just some of my thoughts on the matter (and based on my own experiences) but I do think there are other "grey" reasons that contribute to this downward trend. Even the wicks have gotten better

As for long term effects of increased vaping...I'm not too concerned - even if vaping isn't as safe as we like to believe, smoking is all but guaranteed to be 100x worse. My goal was never to be a "health nut" - no offense to those who are, I'm nuts in other ways

 

[FireFly]

Arguably, Nicotine constricts vessels, that causes decrease in blood flow to and through the vessels.
Even if you Vape with Nic, Facial Surgeons will not Operate due to this due to the very small vessels in the face and surrounding areas.

When you Go In for any other normal Operation... Even if you Don't Smoke, and only Vape you still need to say that you Vape as it affects the Anesthetist and blood circulation etc. unless you have a death wish that is...

So Lowering Nic intake is a good thing... You gave up Stinkies, Why not lower and remove nic too over time as this is the easier part...

My Vaping Style has not changed (increased) since upgrading from Twisp... 12mg on Twisp, 6Mg on Upgraded Gear and now 3mg ... Aiming for Zero within 3 months...

 

[zadiac]

I dropped to low nic a long time ago, but my cloud production has stayed the same. Maybe it's because I went to dripping very early and then to the Reo.

 

[Viper_SA]

Definitely easier to be satisfied with 6mg on a dripper than on some other tanks. I switched to 6mg two weeks ago, only one week into vaping exclusively. My biggest reason is this: at work, and a lot of other social situations I sometimes have to go a few hours without a smoke/vape break. I hate that edgy, fidgety feeling when the cravings kick in. So to get rid of nicotine addiction completely would be a bonus. Always find it funny that we say "nicotine calms me down" but get so agitated when we can't get it.

As for the safety of vaping, well, it is unsafe to get out of bed. Even to stay in bed, if the roof collapses At least if vaping kills me I'll smell a heck of a lot better than if smoking killed me

P.S Just my lighthearted opinion, no offense meant to anyone.

 

[baksteen8168]

My nic journey so far.

I have stated on 24mg. Quickly moved to 12mg - 18mg, and after a couple of months I moved on to 6mg. Looks like I might be moving again soon, as I accidently got sent a 3mg juice and found that the flavour did not change for me. (I still love some juices at 18mg, but only for the flavour it gives. I generally vape very little of it and only at special times.)

On quantity I have found that I vape a lot less. I used to go through 6 x 30ml per week. Now I barely finish 2 x 30ml a week. I also have cloud blowing rigs, but I can not remember when last I used them.

I find it funny that my juice consumption has reduced with my nic strength. Never thought that would happen, but I am not complaining.

 

[cfm78910]

As an example...
August last year I used to sell 70% 12mg, 20% 6mg 10% 18mg.
December last year 40% 12mg, 55% 6mg, 5% 18mg
Now 25% 12mg, 60% 6mg, 10% 3mg, 5% 18mg

These are just rough figures but it shows the trend. There's no denying, the amount of clouds at vape meets has increased dramatically.

I've been on 18mg since I started vaping 7 months ago and plan on staying there. I prefer to vape less on a stronger juice rather than the opposite.

 

[ShaneW]

Thanks for the interesting responses.

One thing I do find interesting is that RDAs are more efficient at delivering nicotine than tank systems. This is clearly the case if @baksteen8168 has actually managed to reduce his juice consumption.
This has to be the case as I can't take much more than 6mg in an RDA even with the power right down... Cough my lungs out

 

[Silver]

I think everyone is different so its not easy to pinpoint what is driving what. Some ppl love the big clouds on powerful rigs so they need lower nic. Some want to reduce their nic to zero. Some (like me) are in no rush to move down in nic and only like clouds on the odd occasion.

I am still on 18mg in my Reos - mouth to lung. But on lung hit devices I use 9mg. I do most of my vaping mouth to lung and enjoy it. I find 12mg is too low to satisfy me.

On the point of higher powered devices and the move to lower nic - i think these devices were created to burn up more juice so the juice vendors can sell more juice. Lol

 

[rogue zombie]

I've almost completely toned down to 6mg.

Logic tells me I'm doing fine. My lungs feel so much better. I can withstand more bursts of exerting energy, which tells me my lung capacity has increased.

I don't blow clouds, but I do vape at 0,6ohms at 20-25watts.

To be honest I'm far happier with the RDA than a EVOD. Because the thing that concerned me the most was vaping through a dirty burnt coil. I now clean and rewick at least once a day..... Controlling the amount of "burned filtering" I'm doing.

But I have no desire to get a 100w mod going. I'm happy with the middle ground.

 

[Smoke187]

My ultimate goal is to get off nicotine completely, so I started off on 12mg and then just recently moved to 6mg and in the next month plan to get down to 3mg and then 0mg
Hopefully I can still continue vaping, because its just so awesome, but time and health will tell me if I should continue.
I also started off on 1.5/1.8Ω and then started some cloud blowing at 0.2Ω but still happy vaping my magma 0.5/0.8Ω
The lower Ω I go, the more juice I use, I used to vape about 90ml a month but since I enjoyed the clouds I vaped 120ml in 3 weeks which I think is a bit much for me, so I'm going start flavour chasing again to balance out my intake and reduce the clouds. While cloud chasing is a lot more satisfying for me, in a sense that I spend less time vaping and my cravings are not as bad, especially since we are only allowed to join the smoke breaks every 2/2.5 hours

 

[FireFly]

we are only allowed to join the smoke breaks every 2/2.5 hours

Seriously? What do you Do?
I will be damned if someone is going to dictate that to me...
Ah yes, Now I remember Why I left the Corporate BS behind and Contract...