Advice On The Ideal Sub-ohm Reo/rm2 Coil Setup

[Silver]

Ok this one goes out to all the REONauts. I am asking for advice.

I am trying to set up one of my REOs to be the ideal hard-hitting device that I will mainly use for tobacco flavours. I want strong throat hit, good flavour and reliable performance. If possible I also want a fair amount of puffs before squonking.

Have been using a standard 1.5mm microcoil, 7 wraps, 28g at 1 ohm for quite a while. It is set up quite high - above airhole height. I use cotton. It works very well, gives good flavour and strong throat hit, gets hot instantly, decent puffs per squonk, id say at least 4 or 5. Nothing wrong and I have been happy with this setup for quite some time

But seeing as though many of you have said your sweet spot for tobaccoes is 0.7 to 0.9 ohms or even lower (I am thinking of @Matthee ) I wanted to test several other lower ohm setups to see if I can improve on what ive been using. Maybe just a bit more oomph would be nice but with the same flavour and reliability - that would be great.

Short story is that i have not yet been able to improve on my "humble 1 ohm setup" yet.... Maybe one of you can look at what ive tried and offer your suggestions on what i may have done wrong or what works excellently for you.

Here is what I tried and what I observed:

Twisted Ribbon wire
- @TylerD gave me some of this a while back. Not sure of the exact specs of the ribbon. 7 wraps around 1.5mm came out at 1.6 ohms. Too high. Then I tried 3 wraps. Spot on at 0.8 ohms. But its tedious trying to get the ends into the post holes. Nearly gave up but got it in the end. Wicked with cotton. It performs quite well but I'd say the foavour is not as good. Also this thing spits tiny splotches of hot juice all over, its a vicious thing. Some hot juice goes in my mouth. Not an ongoing solution for me.

Twisted 32g wire
- @TylerD also gave me some of this. 6 wraps around 1.5mm was 1.4 ohms. Too high. When I tried again with 3 wraps I just could not get the one end into the one post. Also, the 3 wraps are quite springy and didnt look like much of a coil. Tedious and tiring. For me it didnt seem like an easy ongoing solution at all.

26g thicker wire - thinking I can get 1 or two more wraps, to improve flavour
- i did 7 wraps around 1.5mm - came out at 0.9 ohms but 1 ohm when wicked and lubed. Vape wasnt bad but nothing amazing
- i did 5 wraps around 1.5mm - 0.7 ohms - aahh now we talking. But after vaping this for about half an hour I noticed less flavour and only 2 or 3 puffs till the cotton was dry. Not so good. Also it gets so damn hot on my lips (despite delrin drip tip) that it become unpleasant. Not for me.

@vaalboy's para-coil
- i decided to try this again after doing one a while back. I used 28g (I dont have 30g which i think would be better). So I decided to go slightly bigger on the diameter to 1.8mm. 9 wraps of double strand. Came out at 0.8 ohms. So far this was the best coil I made in all my trying. It has very good flavour but strangely not that good a throat hit, despite the coil sitting high. Also, takes quite a while to warm up and get going. Its good but not quite there. Very noisy, big time crackle and pop factor. However, no better than my humble and simple 1 ohm microcoil.

I know i should have just tried a simple micro like my current set up with just one or two less wraps, but I have not tried that yet. I thought these alternatives would be better. But for me I cant say they are.

Wick wise, I am still on cotton, i do have silica and ekowool but not tried it yet.

Looking to you guys for your advice, suggestions and comments.

 

[Rob Fisher]

This is going to be a very interesting thread! I'm sure @Matthee will have some solid advice... he built me a coil in my first Cyclone that kicked me in the face and I guess that's what you are after! Was too heavy for me but I guess that's what you are after!

 

[Silver]

Lol @Rob Fisher , I can just imagine what that coil from @Matthee must have been like.

Lets say I am looking for a coil that gives a proper thumping but not a knockout punch. Im guessing somewhere between @mathhee's thumpers and my current setup. Just worried with too few wraps one loses too much flavour.

Incidentally, i am happy with the coils in the other RM2 devices. 1.4 ohm coil for VM Choc Mint is bliss. And the 1.2 ohmer for other fruits and sweet juices is doing just fine. Great flavour and reliability. I just need to improve on the thumper.

 

[Gazzacpt]

Howdy @Silver. 6 - 7 wraps of twisted 28 on a 1.5mm ID does the trick for me, normally comes out to between 0.6 - 0.8 ohms I whacked one in @steve 's reo and it was a beast. Its a bit of trial and error with twisted wire tho but experimentation is part of the fun. Got a dual twisted in a helios at 0.3ohms that it just great for tobaccos

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[Silver]

Thanks @Gazzacpt !

But dont you find its difficult to get the twisted ends into the post holes?

 

[Gazzacpt]

Thanks @Gazzacpt !

But dont you find its difficult to get the twisted ends into the post holes?

Yeah it took a bit of wiggling and jiggling but it goes through steve's reomiser post holes are a bit off tho so you shouldn't have a problem.

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[Alex]

Thanks @Gazzacpt !

But dont you find its difficult to get the twisted ends into the post holes?

I had no problem, but I guess that depends on how twisted they are. I get absolutely perfect results from gripping the one side with the two wires, hand wrapped a few times. and the looped end going through a large allan key wrench, which I have mounted in my hand drill. Then keeping the wire tension very tight, spin that sucker like there's no tomorrow. The result for me is a new perfectly wound ultra tight wire. Just like the video RIP made.

 

[johan]

Agree this will be an interesting thread to follow; I'm back on 2mm silica, 3 pieces with 4 spaced wraps 28G, about 1 Ohm max (aka ugly coil) and for me personally much better than cotton or the micro coils I've tried. In the end I think its just as subjective as e-liquid taste.

 

[Gazzacpt]

Agree tis will be an interesting thread to follow; I'm back on 2mm silica, 3 pieces with 4 spaced wraps 28G, about 1 Ohm max (aka ugly coil) and for me personally much better than cotton or the micro coils I've tried. In the end I think its just as subjective as e-liquid taste.

For me silica just rocks with certain juices like VM4, Frenilla and Radioactive. Then I get a cleaner flavour from cotton on the fruitier juices. This was proved again last night when @Zegee had the same juice in a kayfun with cotton and me with silica. More experimentation is needed

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[shabbar]

can you guys post pics for us reonauts to be ?

I haven't a clue how to build coils but with the help of you guys on the forum I am sure it will be easy as pie.

@TylerD has offered to make me some coils and he isn't too far from me should I encounter any problems.

 

[Gazzacpt]

I had no problem, but I guess that depends on how twisted they are. I get absolutely perfect results from gripping the one side with the two wires, hand wrapped a few times. and the looped end going through a large allan key wrench, which I have mounted in my hand drill. Then keeping the wire tension very tight, spin that sucker like there's no tomorrow. The result for me is a new perfectly wound ultra tight wire. Just like the video RIP made.

Try using a cup hook in the drill the wire doesn't slide off that so easily.

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[Alex]

Try using a cup hook in the drill the wire doesn't slide off that so easily.

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That's a good tip thanks, I've also used back to back allan keys for quad twists.

 

[Gazzacpt]

That's a good tip thanks, I've also used back to back allan keys for quad twists.

quad twists a new challenge

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[Tom]

Try using a cup hook in the drill the wire doesn't slide off that so easily.

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or simply bend a larger nail more then 90 degrees

 

[Silver]

Ok thanks for all the feedback so far

What ive picked up is to twist the wire as good as possible for easy fitting in the posts. I didnt do the twisting myself, but the twisted 32g that @TylerD gave me looked very good indeed, it appeared like a solid piece of wire.

Other thing ive picked up is to try the "ugly coil" and silica, thanks to @johan.

And that silica may work better on some flavours while cotton is better for others. Gosh, so much experimentation. I am not too concerned about the wick for now, cotton is doing well, but i guess i will have to do testing of other wicking material in future.

Wonder if @RevnLucky7 can chime in here. You said ekowool is best for the Kayfun I think. Wonder if that applies to drippers too? Or just a personal taste thing

 

[Tom]

i tried eko as well as silica...never liked it. maybe my lack of xp for those builds.

 

[Alex]

Just found this awesome post on ECF

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...2-full-atomizer-itself-rebuild-pic-heavy.html

 

[shabbar]

Nice find .

 

[Andre]

can you guys post pics for us reonauts to be ?

I haven't a clue how to build coils but with the help of you guys on the forum I am sure it will be easy as pie.

@TylerD has offered to make me some coils and he isn't too far from me should I encounter any problems.

Here are some videos on building coils on the Reomizer. The first one is the old fashioned (which comes back in fashion every now and then) coil. The other two are micro coils. The last one shows some aspects better than the first micro coil one.
http://www.ecigssa.co.za/threads/reo-for-newbies.1064/page-2#post-19215

 

[Andre]

Ok this one goes out to all the REONauts. I am asking for advice.

I am trying to set up one of my REOs to be the ideal hard-hitting device that I will mainly use for tobacco flavours. I want strong throat hit, good flavour and reliable performance. If possible I also want a fair amount of puffs before squonking.

Have been using a standard 1.5mm microcoil, 7 wraps, 28g at 1 ohm for quite a while. It is set up quite high - above airhole height. I use cotton. It works very well, gives good flavour and strong throat hit, gets hot instantly, decent puffs per squonk, id say at least 4 or 5. Nothing wrong and I have been happy with this setup for quite some time

But seeing as though many of you have said your sweet spot for tobaccoes is 0.7 to 0.9 ohms or even lower (I am thinking of @Matthee ) I wanted to test several other lower ohm setups to see if I can improve on what ive been using. Maybe just a bit more oomph would be nice but with the same flavour and reliability - that would be great.

Short story is that i have not yet been able to improve on my "humble 1 ohm setup" yet.... Maybe one of you can look at what ive tried and offer your suggestions on what i may have done wrong or what works excellently for you.

Here is what I tried and what I observed:

Twisted Ribbon wire
- @TylerD gave me some of this a while back. Not sure of the exact specs of the ribbon. 7 wraps around 1.5mm came out at 1.6 ohms. Too high. Then I tried 3 wraps. Spot on at 0.8 ohms. But its tedious trying to get the ends into the post holes. Nearly gave up but got it in the end. Wicked with cotton. It performs quite well but I'd say the foavour is not as good. Also this thing spits tiny splotches of hot juice all over, its a vicious thing. Some hot juice goes in my mouth. Not an ongoing solution for me.

Twisted 32g wire
- @TylerD also gave me some of this. 6 wraps around 1.5mm was 1.4 ohms. Too high. When I tried again with 3 wraps I just could not get the one end into the one post. Also, the 3 wraps are quite springy and didnt look like much of a coil. Tedious and tiring. For me it didnt seem like an easy ongoing solution at all.

26g thicker wire - thinking I can get 1 or two more wraps, to improve flavour
- i did 7 wraps around 1.5mm - came out at 0.9 ohms but 1 ohm when wicked and lubed. Vape wasnt bad but nothing amazing
- i did 5 wraps around 1.5mm - 0.7 ohms - aahh now we talking. But after vaping this for about half an hour I noticed less flavour and only 2 or 3 puffs till the cotton was dry. Not so good. Also it gets so damn hot on my lips (despite delrin drip tip) that it become unpleasant. Not for me.

@vaalboy's para-coil
- i decided to try this again after doing one a while back. I used 28g (I dont have 30g which i think would be better). So I decided to go slightly bigger on the diameter to 1.8mm. 9 wraps of double strand. Came out at 0.8 ohms. So far this was the best coil I made in all my trying. It has very good flavour but strangely not that good a throat hit, despite the coil sitting high. Also, takes quite a while to warm up and get going. Its good but not quite there. Very noisy, big time crackle and pop factor. However, no better than my humble and simple 1 ohm microcoil.

I know i should have just tried a simple micro like my current set up with just one or two less wraps, but I have not tried that yet. I thought these alternatives would be better. But for me I cant say they are.

Wick wise, I am still on cotton, i do have silica and ekowool but not tried it yet.

Looking to you guys for your advice, suggestions and comments.

Tried the triple twisted and got good flavour, but too much trouble for me. Have never tried ribbon. All my current coils are 27 g simple micro coils between 0.45 and 8 ohms. The cyclone with AFC has dual coils. All are wicked with ceramic wicks. ID are all 1.6 mm - for me the best ID for fitting the ceramic wicks. Somewhere below 0.6 ohms single coils I think one starts to lose some flavour, but the dual coils combined with the AFC gives great flavour at 0.45 ohms.
From what you have said @Silver, seems to me 0.9 ohms might be your spot for tobaccos. With either 28 g or 27 g.

 

[Andre]

For me silica just rocks with certain juices like VM4, Frenilla and Radioactive. Then I get a cleaner flavour from cotton on the fruitier juices. This was proved again last night when @Zegee had the same juice in a kayfun with cotton and me with silica. More experimentation is needed

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Aha, been struggling with the fruity juices on the Reomizer. Maybe should try cotton for that. You also do that at between 0.6 and 0.8, because most reports I have seen say one should go around 1.0 for fruity juices?

 

[Gazzacpt]

Aha, been struggling with the fruity juices on the Reomizer. Maybe should try cotton for that. You also do that at between 0.6 and 0.8, because most reports I have seen say one should go around 1.0 for fruity juices?

Hi Oom I do fruit and some deserts at 1 - 1.4 ohms I am running out of tank systems for all the flavours I like especially now with silica and cotton in the mix.

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[Andre]

Hi Oom I do fruit and some deserts at 1 - 1.4 ohms I am running out of tank systems for all the flavours I like especially now with silica and cotton in the mix.

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Lol, that is no joke. Was chuckling at myself last night with the following array beside me in 4 Reos, 2 Aquas and a Nautilus: HHV Maple, 5P Bowdens Mate, 5P Sixty Four, 5P Queenside, Witchers Devils Cut, Nicoticket Frenilla and Nicoticket F5 Refresh.

 

[ET]

Try using a cup hook in the drill the wire doesn't slide off that so easily.

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split pin works wonderfully

 

[Silver]

Tried the triple twisted and got good flavour, but too much trouble for me. Have never tried ribbon. All my current coils are 27 g simple micro coils between 0.45 and 8 ohms. The cyclone with AFC has dual coils. All are wicked with ceramic wicks. ID are all 1.6 mm - for me the best ID for fitting the ceramic wicks. Somewhere below 0.6 ohms single coils I think one starts to lose some flavour, but the dual coils combined with the AFC gives great flavour at 0.45 ohms.
From what you have said @Silver, seems to me 0.9 ohms might be your spot for tobaccos. With either 28 g or 27 g.

After round 2 of tinkering I found a great coil!

Simple - 28g, 1.5mm diameter, 6 wraps, 0.9 ohms
Set reasonably high up
Strong throat hit, instant heating up, good flavour and about 3 or 4 puffs between squonks
I am happy for now, tobaccoes here I come

@Matthee, you were spot on!
Jy's a doring!

Now where's that Witchers Brew Blackbird.....