Are we losing the war?

[Hooked]

I just posted this on her FB pages:

According to your very own CDC...
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm

It's fascinating that you would leave these cancer sticks on the shelves but choose to ban the most effective method of NRT because adults are to reckless and money-hungry to not sell tobacco or nicotine products to minors.

Meanwhile you have corporate tycoons like McDonalds, Burger King, Nestlé, Monsanto et al getting away with murder because their toxic products and practices are brushed aside like they're no reason for concern...

You must have greasy palms and evidently very little common sense... Sorry if I offended you but you use your position of authority to negatively influence society...

How much kickback are you getting from big tobacco and big pharma to demonise e-cigarettes??
If you condone the use of cigarettes then you can only be a delinquent...​

Maybe a bit hotheaded but yeah... These people frustrate me with their petty concerns when we have things like melting ice caps, burning rainforests & violent civil unrest to worry about!!

Well done @takatatak !

 

[StephenE]

The amount of cognitive dissonance around this subject is absolutely overwhelming. I blame a lack of fundamental education in informal logic.

How many kids went to a hospital today as a result of sport injuries?
How many people died today due to sugar related illnesses?
Smokers?
Vehicle passengers?

Well.... let’s ban vaping. The mind boggles.

 

[Arthster]

The amount of cognitive dissonance around this subject is absolutely overwhelming. I blame a lack of fundamental education in informal logic.

How many kids went to a hospital today as a result of sport injuries?
How many people died today due to sugar related illnesses?
Smokers?
Vehicle passengers?

Well.... let’s ban vaping. The mind boggles.

Spot on. 100% agree.

 

[Arthster]

@kev mac

MICHIGAN GOVERNOR DECLARES CIGARETTES SAFE
https://vapinglinks.blog/2019/09/05/michigan-governor-declares-cigarettes-safe/

5 Sept. 2019

"Governor Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan has arrogantly declared cigarettes are safe and will remain available for consumers of all ages in her state. “Alternative nicotine products” will be banned to protect the children ™.

It seems the words “regulate, restrict, tax and ban” will not catch on (in that order) as I had envisioned. Michigan, like San Francisco, has chosen the word “ban” for less harmful products to protect the children™ … I’m happy to report however, cigarettes are safe.

Just thinking about this. In the last 10 years 3 people have died globally from vaping related issues although 2 are questionable and 1 was a dumbass with a mech mod, compared to thousands of cancer death directly linked to tobacco just in Michigan this year alone...

Surely with a statement like "Cigarettes are safe and will remain available to consumers of all ages" and given evidence in hand, this lady should be charged with some form of murder or homicide?

 

[WBotha]

I dont think we are losing the war .

People will always be afraid of change . I for one used to be a semi anti -vaper always teased and mocked my friends for vaping until indid some research and tried it out . Few weeks later I was asking that same friends for advice on buying my first vape kit . People wil always be afraid of change even if it is for the better .
Vaping is the future of smoking its cleaner , healthier and taate and smell better than the cancer stickies . People are finding It hard to believe that there is a better alternative to straight tobacco , humans have been using tabbaco for centuries and we are trying to change that forever .
"Something that is liberal today is conservative tomorrow"
Just my thought on the matter

 

[kev mac]

@kev mac

MICHIGAN GOVERNOR DECLARES CIGARETTES SAFE
https://vapinglinks.blog/2019/09/05/michigan-governor-declares-cigarettes-safe/

5 Sept. 2019

"Governor Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan has arrogantly declared cigarettes are safe and will remain available for consumers of all ages in her state. “Alternative nicotine products” will be banned to protect the children ™.

It seems the words “regulate, restrict, tax and ban” will not catch on (in that order) as I had envisioned. Michigan, like San Francisco, has chosen the word “ban” for less harmful products to protect the children™ … I’m happy to report however, cigarettes are safe.

And this is another example of the State Sanctioned insanity.How do we fight such pretzel logic? While in the U.K. vape products can now be sold in hospitals I've read.

 

[kev mac]

@kev mac I think it's disgusting that you weren't even allowed to make your case. It certainly seems as if America is losing the war, with one state following the other in banning vaping. To be honest, it surprises me. I've always thought of the USA as being free and progressive!

Our only hope here in SA is that our government follows the lead of the UK and New Zealand, otherwise we're done for.

In the U.S. we're free as long as the people in the power seats aren't losing money.

 

[Hooked]

So maybe a but of topic but a interesting observation with relevance.

Ok so SA isn't the same as the USA where each state is almost a seperate little country and vaping isn't banned. When I started vaping in 2014 I use to stand alone in the smoking area and smokers gave me this how dare you enter our haven you filthy pudding smelling rat look. 5 years later and I just came back from a vape break, we were 11 guys standing in conversation and out of that group 2 where smoking tobacco the rest of us where vaping.

amazing how times have changed.

@Arthster You need to change your forum name to "filthy pudding smelling rat"

 

[kev mac]

I just posted this on her FB pages:

According to your very own CDC...
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm

It's fascinating that you would leave these cancer sticks on the shelves but choose to ban the most effective method of NRT because adults are to reckless and money-hungry to not sell tobacco or nicotine products to minors.

Meanwhile you have corporate tycoons like McDonalds, Burger King, Nestlé, Monsanto et al getting away with murder because their toxic products and practices are brushed aside like they're no reason for concern...

You must have greasy palms and evidently very little common sense... Sorry if I offended you but you use your position of authority to negatively influence society...

How much kickback are you getting from big tobacco and big pharma to demonise e-cigarettes??
If you condone the use of cigarettes then you can only be a delinquent...​

Maybe a bit hotheaded but yeah... These people frustrate me with their petty concerns when we have things like melting ice caps, burning rainforests & violent civil unrest to worry about!!

I 100% agree !

 

[Hooked]

In the U.S. we're free as long as the people in the power seats aren't losing money.

@kev mac Actually, none of us is free. Freedom is an illusion and the best that we can do is to attempt to maintain that illusion.

 

[kev mac]

@kev mac Actually, none of us is free. Freedom is an illusion and the best that we can do is to attempt to maintain that illusion.

Sadly there's much truth in what you say.

 

[Room Fogger]

And this is another example of the State Sanctioned insanity.How do we fight such pretzel logic? While in the U.K. vape products can now be sold in hospitals I've read.

Maybe someone should send her a carton of smokes and a lighter and tell her to put her money where her mouth is.

 

[StephenE]

It is getting closer to home.

In an article this morning on Netwerk 24 (in Afrikaans and behind a pay-wall), a certain Dr. Catherine Egbe from the South African Medical Research Council, had a lot of negative things to say about e-cigs. The shocking thing is that she is quoted, directly, to the effect that a study that set-out to understand the recent deaths, has found that it is the VG and PG that causes your lungs to stop working!!

What??? I would like to see her produce the evidence for that!

 

[Chukin'Vape]

End game is near guys.... I still want to know how we went from, black market THC cartridges are bad - TO - "flavors are bad". All my American friends are reaching out to me apologizing, feeling guilty for what their government is doing. Super sad day.

 

[Adephi]

Interesting take from a non-vaper

 

[SparkySA]

Okey let's think about this for a second,,

Cigarettes = cancer causing chemicals, a few stuff that was used in wars to poison people, pesticides, it causes secondhand health risks and fall asleep with it can burn down a house. Kills alot of people every year

E liquid = vg/ pg ( been partying with smoke machines for eons) flavors that we used in cooking mostly, has a clear non stinky vapour and has been tested to be 95% safer than cigarettes.

Okey now let's break this down quickly even further.

You use fire to burn a cigarette (global warming and what not)

Vape device heat liquid below ignition point

Now WTF GOVERNMENT..... WTF MURICA..... WTF INDIA

 

[SparkySA]

I'm going to stock pile DIY stuff anyone wanna group buy a kiloliter of pg/vg mix and buy some basic must have concentrates by the litres

 

[Hooked]

It is getting closer to home.

In an article this morning on Netwerk 24 (in Afrikaans and behind a pay-wall), a certain Dr. Catherine Egbe from the South African Medical Research Council, had a lot of negative things to say about e-cigs. The shocking thing is that she is quoted, directly, to the effect that a study that set-out to understand the recent deaths, has found that it is the VG and PG that causes your lungs to stop working!!

What??? I would like to see her produce the evidence for that!

Vapers in SA should stage a sit-in, in front of her office. Since VG and PG cause your lungs to stop working, according to her, we'll all be the Walking Dead.

 

[Room Fogger]

Vapers in SA should stage a sit-in, in front of her office. Since VG and PG cause your lungs to stop working, according to her, we'll all be the Walking Dead.

Adresss, date and time please. @zadiac , what amount of people constitute an illegal gathering?

 

[zadiac]

Adresss, date and time please. @zadiac , what amount of people constitute an illegal gathering?

It used to be 5, but it's changed since 1994. Not sure what the new criteria is now.....lol. We have a specialized unit that deals with gatherings and unrest.

 

[Room Fogger]

It used to be 5, but it's changed since 1994. Not sure what the new criteria is now.....lol. We have a specialized unit that deals with gatherings and unrest.

So 200 groups of 4 and we are in the clear

 

[zadiac]

So 200 groups of 4 and we are in the clear

Sounds legit

 

[Rickesh Behari]

Hi Guys, im a new member and a relatively new vaper.
i used to smoke until i saw the light and Now i am a proud vaper.

More often than not i get a smoker come up to me and ask if i dont read the news, or if im aware that "vaping kills". Really? these are people that are inhaling thousands more dangerous chemicals than i am and they now feel they have the right to lecture vapers on the "dangers of vaping". the news is as slanted as it always has been and the propaganda being spread about vaping is infuriating.

i used to stay quiet and smile but im at a point now where i tell these morons where to get off.

Thank you to the vape advocates every where for fighting the good fight. i have signed the petition against Trump's flavor ban with the greatest of pleasure and look forward to doing more to help the cause.

 

[Grand Guru]

Take a moment to watch this. It’s all about money!

 

[Room Fogger]

Take a moment to watch this. It’s all about money!

Very informative @Grand Guru . Kind of brings to mind the fairytale of the Emperors new clothes, a lot of money for nothing, and scare tactics to keep the masses in mind. Now just to find the right “kid” to scream he’s wearing no clothes and show the truth.

The US is a very strange place, you can sue someone for slipping on coldrink you just threw in your boyfriends face, and actually win. Wonder what would happen if a vaper sues them for depravation of his flavoured e-liquid based on his interaction with natures finest and the mental anguish it is causing, may get some tree huggers on board as well to testify regarding the awful pain the trees have to go through to make the cigarette paper as well.

Not sure how to get the cotton growers into the mix yet, but my “warped” vaping mind will be working on that as well.