The ongoing media war on E-cigs and Vaping industry

[WBotha]

Good day fellow vapers .

The whole vape industry has been in a bad light this past 2 months , with increase articles and daily news showing the extreme negatives of vaping . First that come mind is the recent reported deaths and reported hospitalised victims of vaping . This is bad and very tragic , I kept a close eye on the news related important cases .

Few things dont add up for me . Every article or story has a few similarities .

1. Vaping on a pod system
2. THC pods
3. Victims are very young
4. Victims only vaped never smoked cigs
5. Very high dosages of nicc and THC products
6. Black market products

Im not saying these similarities above is the reason but I do believe that black market products do have a major role to play . There are countless people using pods and im looking at buying one myself .

Nobody should be in hospital or dead due to something 95% cleaner and healtier than cigs . So few things definitely dont add up here .
I did some light research and saw a vid on youtube with the same thoughts as mine . Dash vapes on youtube

There is hope .
I believe that there is a light at the end of this dark and long tunnel but we as the vape community has a big part to play in spreading the correct info on vaping . This war wil not be over or forgotten without a fight .

 

[vicTor]

I'm with you man

 

[Silver]

Agreed @WBotha

It seems the recent cases of death point toward THC infused cartridges with Vitamin E oil inside - and when the oil is vaped it causes a bad reaction in your lungs - that's the way I understand it.

I have vaped for nearly 6 years and have not had any bad reaction whatsoever - other than a "Silver" I had in the early days which is a fairly well documented nicotine overdose - but miles from being a hospital case.

I have vaped many international liquids and lots of locally manufactured liquids. Only normal nicotine liquids though. No problems on my side whatsoever. I feel better than I did when smoking, my heart rate while exercising is about 10 bpm lower than when I smoked - and I get FAR fewer headaches since stopping smoking and switching to vaping. No more wheezing and I can breathe in deeper. Vaping has been very positive for me healthwise - at least from what I can observe.

 

[WBotha]

Yes I can also testify @Silver

We had our annual medical checkups at work ,my blood pressure is down ( almost to low ) , my lung capacity increased .
My sense of smell and taste have drastically increased and less sinus and flu problems .
There are more than millions of people that vape even before vaping became mainstream as it is today and no serious cases were heard of . its just funny that the media is busy blowing everything out of perspective . I just wish that the postive side of vaping as we experienced can be explored more by the media and public .
But sad to say that the media will always be about sensation .

 

[soofee]

 

[ARYANTO]

 

[ARYANTO]

Yes I can also testify @Silver

We had our annual medical checkups at work ,my blood pressure is down ( almost to low ) , my lung capacity increased .
My sense of smell and taste have drastically increased and less sinus and flu problems .
There are more than millions of people that vape even before vaping became mainstream as it is today and no serious cases were heard of . its just funny that the media is busy blowing everything out of perspective . I just wish that the postive side of vaping as we experienced can be explored more by the media and public .
But sad to say that the media will always be about sensation .

I think that we , as vapers need to step up and do more , be more aggressive and defend our hobby/lifestyle , we all sit and grumble in the forum , we
need to be more active and MAKE OUR PRESENCE KNOWN. Stuff the media , it's them spreading false info , we need to attack on social media and make out voices heard.India's govt just ''killed'' their whole vaping industry with a signature... are we next?

 

[Room Fogger]

Vapers unite!

 

[Resistance]

I had this same rediculous conversation trying to convince someone to look at the big picture...at the end of the day he turned around explaining to me what I just said in his own words.
what this forum and members need to do is have a few pro vaping campaigns.
or maybe just fog a highway or something.maybe some airtime on a radio station .
this dude even told me that theres a warning on the boxes so it must be harmfull,pointing towards the nicotine warnings on the box of my vape wire and I think we need to set this straight aswell. Hardware do not contain anything till we fill it, and this makes me feel that were telling the negative forces that they are right.
Your smoking a battery I tell you!....sad.

 

[ARYANTO]

I do not believe this , a tappet {friend of a fried scenario}on FB , who NEVER smoked or vaped want to start an anti vape campaign on FB .
{speaking under correction , I think there is a few 100 already }
May I gently put my hands over his throat and very suddenly increase pressure , this whole fkn story is pushing my BP dangerously up .

 

[Room Fogger]

I do not believe this , a tappet {friend of a fried scenario}on FB , who NEVER smoked or vaped want to start an anti vape campaign on FB .
{speaking under correction , I think there is a few 100 already }
May I gently put my hands over his throat and very suddenly increase pressure , this whole fkn story is pushing my BP dangerously up .

Full neck massage with both hands, sometimes feel like doing that to some village idiots myself. Tell him your going to start a anti whatever he likes campaign, even if it’s to ban sugar and see the reaction.

I sometimes wish that people will realize that if you know nothing about something stay out of it until you do your homework. I don’t tell a mechanic what to do to fix my car, but will ask questions to see if it makes sense, ditto my doctor, unless he gives something that hasn’t worked or agreed with me before.

If I don’t know something I ask, or research it. Then I can give an informed opinion or advice on the matter instead of being an arrogant prick, which I sometimes am, especially towards debt collectors that don’t update their systems so I now bill them for my time having to answer the phone because they are looking for 400 people with the same number, or cold callers trying to sell me a cell contract, you just phoned me on my cell you twat.

Same with vaping, I vape, not you. Keep your nose there and I will re-adjust it and tell you to mind your own, in a nice way of course.

 

[Resistance]

We should do a lets ban the ban vaping campaign.

 

[Adephi]

I do not believe this , a tappet {friend of a fried scenario}on FB , who NEVER smoked or vaped want to start an anti vape campaign on FB .
{speaking under correction , I think there is a few 100 already }
May I gently put my hands over his throat and very suddenly increase pressure , this whole fkn story is pushing my BP dangerously up .

As the legendary Tolla van der Merwe use to say:" Ek wil hom net liggies om die nek vashou en vir hom lag terwyl hy homself dood spartel".

 

[Resistance]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...19-year-olds-lungs-filled-solidified-oil.html

Another article...???
Next is people vaping Q20 or 20w50

 

[Faiyaz Cheulkar]

I was watching this movie "Mama" yesterday, there is a scene where one teenager pushes a vape to another teenager saying "you can do it all you want and then quit when you are 25, it doesn't do any damage or anything". I honestly don't know what I felt at that moment- rage, sorry, confused? don't know but its things like this that make people hate vaping more and more.

 

[Kuhlkatz]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...19-year-olds-lungs-filled-solidified-oil.html

Another article...???
Next is people vaping Q20 or 20w50

Key 'one-liner' in this article is the same common denominator as in all the other dramas and deaths:

Anthony also vaped THC on occasions, which is the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana.

They should skip all the bad-mouthing and other BS related to vaping and how bad it is and perhaps just take a moment, sit down, shut up and gather their scrambled thoughts, and then focus on the ACTUAL issue here. Instead of rallying everyone to write articles and have press conferences to spread disinformation, they should be using all the resources to track down the suppliers and manufacturers of the carts causing all the kak.

Just my 2c.

 

[SparkySA]

Check it out

 

[SparkySA]

 

[WBotha]

Yes I Also belive we must let our voices be heard and obviously try to get the truth of vaping more in the public attention . I would like to see what the actual report and conclusion and findings are for the case in Canada . Seems like the fight is not over in USA . Trump is making statements just please the people it would seem .

 

[SparkySA]

Yes I Also belive we must let our voices be heard and obviously try to get the truth of vaping more in the public attention . I would like to see what the actual report and conclusion and findings are for the case in Canada . Seems like the fight is not over in USA . Trump is making statements just please the people it would seem .

Isn't there a petition site or something we can do?

 

[SparkySA]

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/vaping-e-cigarettes-suspected-fifth-death-hundreds-lung-injuries

The truth about these deaths please share on Facebook and social media platforms

 

[SparkySA]

Okey let's say for instance the 8 deaths this year is real and I'm saying a huge IF

LOOK AT THESE STATS ABOUT Cigarettes

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm

 

[Silver]

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/vaping-e-cigarettes-suspected-fifth-death-hundreds-lung-injuries

The truth about these deaths please share on Facebook and social media platforms

Hi @SparkySA , thanks for posting that
I went through it

The part that is strange is that not all the young folk hospitalized were vaping THC with Vitamin E acetate. Some said they weren’t vaping THC. Which then begs the question, what were they vaping?

The scientist also concludes that even if we aren’t vaping THC with Vitamin E acetate we aren’t necessarily safe.

We have known for a long time that there are question marks to the health impacts of inhaling food grade flavorings. They are safe to eat. But as the scientist in this article points out their toxicity can change depending on the method of absorption. (As is clearly the case with vitamin E acetate oils)

I have vaped loads of different normal liquids over nearly 6 years. No THC , no CBD, just normal vaping nicotine liquids and I have never had a problem. Time will tell if there are longer term effects. But my lungs seem to be working far better than when i smoked.

 

[SparkySA]

Yeah I know no one ever said vaping was 100% safer than smoking it's only 95% safer....

Now let me ask you this

If you knew you had 95% better chance at the lotto would you play?

 

[Silver]

Yeah I know no one ever said vaping was 100% safer than smoking it's only 95% safer....

Now let me ask you this

If you knew you had 95% better chance at the lotto would you play?

Sure I would!