First Corona Virus case confirmed in SA.

[Dela Rey Steyn]

well thats easy, dont need any statistics for that. Simple question, over the last 20 years has the economy, infrastructure, education, health services, etc improved, stabilized or going backwards?
Only thing improving is corruption.

I don't want to derail this thread into a debate. In the last 20 years, the population has had an unprecedented boom. and a lot more services have been made available to a plethora of people. Our infrastructure might not be up to standard, but it is at least there to provide services to the masses as best it can. Apart from the "zuma" years, our country has been pretty damn stable. A lot more issues world wide. Corruption is prolific everywhere at numbers much higher than SA. Where there is money, there will be corruption and theft, in any country.

This is my last post on this matter, because it is no longer pertaining to the Original thread.

 

[Grand Guru]

@Resistance is making a valid point @Timwis. Eventhough this virus will inevitably spread independently from the season but this virus like any other airborne infection spreads faster in winter because people tend to stay indoors, reduce ventilation and gather around the TV and the heater....

 

[Timwis]

@Resistance is making a valid point @Timwis. Eventhough this virus will inevitably spread independently from the season but this virus like any other airborne infection spreads faster in winter because people tend to stay indoors, reduce ventilation and gather around the TV and the heater....

Which makes lockdown pointless because that's exactly what it basically means.

 

[Timwis]

Which makes lockdown pointless because that's exactly what it basically means.

My point is looking at the map it follows a pattern of natural common travel which explains why despite being in the Southern Hemisphere it's already well established in Australia because there is a lot of travel between Australia and China as @Resistance pointed out.

 

[Grand Guru]

My point is looking at the map it follows a pattern of natural common travel which explains why despite being in the Southern Hemisphere it's already well established in Australia because there is a lot of travel between Australia and China as @Resistance pointed out.

Your point is definitely valid too. In the 1st WW, the Spanish flue was spread by the movement of the army....
Confinement isn't pointless as it restricts your contacts to your close family, makes tracing and testing easier and you interact with far less people. No public transport, no coffee shops, no malls etc.

 

[Resistance]

well thats easy, dont need any statistics for that. Simple question, over the last 20 years has the economy, infrastructure, education, health services, etc improved, stabilized or going backwards?
Only thing improving is corruption.

If any of our previous 26 years presidents and affiliates did anything right. This lockdown would be it.
My reasoning is the economic infrastructure can be rebuilt. Even burying someone costs money and every life matters even the man on the street.

 

[Resistance]

Your point is definitely valid too. In the 1st WW, the Spanish flue was spread by the movement of the army....
Confinement isn't pointless as it restricts your contacts to your close family, makes tracing and testing easier and you interact with far less people. No public transport, no coffee shops, no malls etc.

And if you have contracted the virus there will be less people to treat as most of them would be in the close vicinity or in surrounding areas. Where as if it's contracted at the mall each person would go their own way and infecting more people on the way till they reach their destination.
Same as it was spread now making it harder to contain to a specific area.

 

[Resistance]

https://news-af.feednews.com/news/detail/cea920095aeaee94e27464f5b84470ae?client=news
I'm not going to open another thread, I thought we isolate all the virus discussions in one thread. If I'm wrong in my thinking then please move. Thankx

 

[Resistance]

 

[Grand Guru]

https://news-af.feednews.com/news/detail/cea920095aeaee94e27464f5b84470ae?client=news
I'm not going to open another thread, I thought we isolate all the virus discussions in one thread. If I'm wrong in my thinking then please move. Thankx

This virus is not contagious you scared me !

 

[Resistance]

This virus is not contagious you scared me !

No, its only by contact that you can get it.
The problem is this is that it's out there, comes from the same region and it's flooding my news feed.
So is it something to worry about or can it be overcome with little impact.

 

[Grand Guru]

No, its only by contact that you can get it.
The problem is this is that it's out there, comes from the same region and it's flooding my news feed.
So is it something to worry about or can it be overcome with little impact.

With transmission between humans close to nil, there’s nothing to worry about.

 

[MTL]

for now we should be at

almost 7k deaths
more than 8k healed
almost 70k infected

KEEP IN MIND: in these 7k we count not only people who died BY the virus, but also everyone who died with the virus even for other reasons like heart attack, embolism etc who has almost nothing to do with the virus)

we ALMOST stabilized the situation even if people keep dying, few hours ago started the third day with a degrowth for both deaths and infected

this was the situation march 7

5k infected
200 deaths

for now we can't leave our houses (except for buy food) and only walk animals for not more than 200 meters far from house, every shop is closed expect groceries pharmacies, tobacco and vape shop, until it works the best we can do is stay at home

if u don't make all the errors we made like waiting the last minute for quarantine, not having masks, laughting about the virus etc u should have no problem to beat it

 

[Resistance]

Just a thought!
Money needs to be disinfected.
I'm not going to explain my reasoning, but common sense tells me I should do this.

(A colleague of mine refused to bump elbows(greeting), but was willing to receive money in his hand.)

 

[Timwis]

Just a thought!
Money needs to be disinfected.
I'm not going to explain my reasoning, but common sense tells me I should do this.

Yes one of the common ways the virus can spread, in the UK we are not disinfecting money though we use our brains and pay by card, i haven't handled cash in weeks! Wouldn't know the situation in SA but any income has to be paid into a bank account and even those that don't have credit cards have debit cards so in theory we don't actually need cash we simply pay by contactless debit card! Any cash i have at my home from before all this happened even if it was infected will already be fine as soft surfaces (notes) the virus only lives up to 72hours and while it's longer on coins i haven't touched that money for weeks so it will be virus free!

 

[Timwis]

Just a thought!
Money needs to be disinfected.
I'm not going to explain my reasoning, but common sense tells me I should do this.

(A colleague of mine refused to bump elbows(greeting), but was willing to receive money in his hand.)

My biggest worry on how i can catch it is when i go food shopping, even if you keep your distant successfully i bet every can of food, every packet and all the fresh produce, in fact everything would of been handled by several people or worse someone with the virus has sneezed or coughed near it, problem is it's invisible and a lot are infected. How many are infected is much higher than the stats say which is bad news from the virus spreading point of view but i suppose good news as it does make the mortality rate lower than stated. I base this on in the UK we have been told if we have any symptoms to self isolate for 7 days and those you live with 14 days but it's only if medical treatment is actually needed would i be tested and become a statistic!

 

[Resistance]

Yes one of the common ways the virus can spread, in the UK we are not disinfecting money though we use our brains and pay by card, i haven't handled cash in weeks! Wouldn't know the situation in SA but any income has to be paid into a bank account and even those that don't have credit cards have debit cards so in theory we don't actually need cash we simply pay by contactless debit card! Any cash i have at my home from before all this happened even if it was infected will already be fine as soft surfaces (notes) the virus only lives up to 72hours and while it's longer on coins i haven't touched that money for weeks so it will be virus free!

Swiping a card, I wouldn't trust either. The food cans is a worry but I always walk with the disinfectant cloths available to clean our shopping trolleys long before this issue. Especially when I handle raw meat packs/portions in supermarkets

 

[Adephi]

So the one time in history nobody can drink and drive they take away the booze..

This video just for research and reference porposes.

 

[Timwis]

Swiping a card, I wouldn't trust either. The food cans is a worry but I always walk with the disinfectant cloths available to clean our shopping trolleys long before this issue. Especially when I handle raw meat packs/portions in supermarkets

Swiping a card? we have contactless, just point the card at the machine, don't even need to enter a pin number so what's not to trust, nothings touched? the only thing you need touch is your own card which no one else touches.

 

[Timwis]

So the one time in history nobody can drink and drive they take away the booze..

This video just for research and reference porposes.

So as well as e-liquid and vaping devices your supermarkets don't sell booze, our supermarkets have massive alcohol sections?

 

[Adephi]

So as well as e-liquid and vaping devices your supermarkets don't sell booze, our supermarkets have massive alcohol sections?

Mostly wine are sold in supermarkets. The bottlestores are mostly next to the supermarket but they will be locked down. Only bare necessities are allowed to be sold. You can't even buy pool chlorine.

They blocked cigarettes sales as well. So I think vape juice will also not be allowed to be sold.

 

[Timwis]

Mostly wine are sold in supermarkets. The bottlestores are mostly next to the supermarket but they will be locked down. Only bare necessities are allowed to be sold. You can't even buy pool chlorine.

They blocked cigarettes sales as well. So I think vape juice will also not be allowed to be sold.

In UK only pharmacies and Supermarkets are open but they are not restricted on what they sell, that seems completely pointless! That seems p***ing people off just for the sake of p***ing people off! I agree with the principle of a lockdown but if supermarkets are open they are open anyway so that just sounds like a nanny state, does government officials go round wiping peoples ar*es for them as well? We get post and couriers as well as they are classed as keyworkers, does SAPO still operate?

 

[Adephi]

In UK only pharmacies and Supermarkets are open but they are not restricted on what they sell, that seems completely pointless! That seems p***ing people off just for the sake of p***ing people off! I agree with the principle of a lockdown but if supermarkets are open they are open anyway so that just sounds like a nanny state, does government officials go round wiping peoples ar*es for them as well? We get post and couriers as well as they are classed as keyworkers, does SAPO still operate?

Nope. No mail. Even home affairs are closed.

I think they want to limit the time people spend in shops. But now tomorrow you will have millions of people flocking to do panic shopping. That doesn't really help to stop the spreading of the virus.

 

[Timwis]

Nope. No mail. Even home affairs are closed.

I think they want to limit the time people spend in shops. But now tomorrow you will have millions of people flocking to do panic shopping. That doesn't really help to stop the spreading of the virus.

In theory i was supposed to be getting the new Pearl Jam album on 27th from my wife as a day's late birthday present but not sure if it'e release outside the US is going to be delayed but if it does hit the country even our supermarket will have it, fingers crossed! I have orchestrated things so i will need food Friday!

 

[Adephi]

In theory i was supposed to be getting the new Pearl Jam album on 27th from my wife as a day's late birthday present but not sure if it'e release outside the US is going to be delayed but if it does hit the country even our supermarket will have it, fingers crossed! I have orchestrated things so i will need food Friday!

With kids in the house I have stopped buying any CD's, LP's or DVD's. All streaming for me.