Mouth to lung vaping - with nicotine salts only

Waine

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Many of us started with the "old school" mouth to lung style of vaping, AKA "MTL". There is a good chance that we used a Twisp-like device with high nicotine e-liquid.

Then, thanks to the limitless magic of You Tube, we discovered the amazing adventure of sub ohm vaping. The massive RTA's and RDA's intrurged us so much that eventually we percieved MTL as if it were only for the novice vaper, or for the guy who only wants to get off the cigs, with a view of later quitting completely. MTL eventually took a back seat among the kleidoscopic range of powerful mods, exotic coils and sophisticated sub ohm or rebuildable tanks.

No doubt there are many serious "hobbyist" vapers, young and old, who dismiss the idea of MTL amidst the plethora of low build, exotic coil, sub ohm vaping and massive 200 plus Watt mods. Then there are those who simply enjoy the MTL experience, but who use the regular 3mg, 6mg or perhaps a 12 mg nicotine content, with an average: 70/30 VG PG volume. But is this a truly gratifying vape?

Personally, I dabbled into MTL before, but I found that the regular free base nicotine e-liquids were not sufficiently satisfying with such a small tight cigarette style drag. When my body craves nicotine, I usually reach for my RDA or RTA, and chain vape until my room or office looks like an eighties smoke filled disco. Only then am I satisfied. Regular e-liquid takes longer to enter the blood stream than cigarette nicotine. One main disadvantage of sub-ohm vaping is my wife or my boss moans about all excessive lingering vape in the air. It's also difficult to stealth sub ohm.

Enter "Nicotine Salts"

I scour vaping websites and vaping vendors like CIA agent looking for terrorists. I saw Nicotine salts being advertised a lot lately. I dismissed any notions of trying it, especially in wake of the newer "Pod systems", which I don't care for. I am a die hard coil builder.

A few days back, I was chatting to a vendor owner in his shop. He said: "Look here, and handed me a big mod with a tiny 22mm "Beserker Mini". My first observation was the wattage setting: 14 Watts! He invited me to take a MTL puff to which I obliged. I said, "Hmm, this is different, what's inside the tank?" He replied: "Nicotine salts", with 35mg nicotine, hence the low wattage." He warned me that a higher wattage will make my lungs pay dearly. I took another puff and felt an immediate, but gentle, cigarette-like, nicotine rush. The hit was somewhat different, but pleasantly enjoyable. My throat did not burn at all. He went on to explain that a 2ml tank of nic salts lasts him a half a day. Furthermore, that Nic salts enters your body fast, but also exits your body quickly. He does not even sell Nic salts in his shop, he got it from another vendor and explained how much he enjoys it.

I was immediately intrigued, but told him that I have so much conventional gear, I could not see myself changing my vape style as this would cost me another small fortune.

As I always do, with anything "new" that I discover, I Google the life out of the topic. My first concern was: "Are Nic salts bad for one?" I found no conclusive evidence on the web to the affirmative. However I am mindful of the fact that as with vaping in general, more years are needed for significant research and medical journals to be published on the potential harmful effects on vaping in general. Perhaps nic salts will prove to be dangerous in the near future. Only time will tell.

So what did I do?

I found two brick and mortar shops in my vicinity that stock Nicotine salts e-liquid. The first shop had only 2 flavors in 30ml, with 20mg nicotine. A brand new addition to their juice range. I bought both @ R175 each. Then, after watching many reviews, I binge bought 2 Innokin Ares 24mm MTL and 2 Beserker Mini 22mm MTL RTA's. To round it off, I went to the second vendor, and tried the 50mg nic salts through the shop assistant's "Clearomiser". Way too strong! So I settled on 4 bottles of 35mg nicotine salts @R200 a bottle. With my 4 new MTL devices and my Nicotine salts, I fell in love to be honest.

Final thoughts

MTL is great, but for me it seems absolutely pointless with my regular 6mg juice. Why would I want to take 10 draws through a tight, restricted airflow system with regular juice to get satisfaction? It makes no sense and I don't want to get a hernia from all that cheek sagging sucking.

Nicotine salts in an MTL system gives me fantastic, instant gratification, and I inhale much less juice. The Nicotine salts seem to synergies differently, and more effectively, when stroking the dopamine receptors inside my brain. I still get a pleasant throat hit with no throat burn. And it feels closer to the experience of smoking an analogue cigarette than any other form of vaping. A 30 ml bottle of nic salts will last 6 times longer than a regular 30ml bottle of 3 or 6mg juice. Also, the amount of 26 gauge wire and cotton I use for the micro builds is minimal, hence resulting in further resource savings.

Have I ditched sub ohm vaping?

He'll no! "Variety is the spice of life". For me I enjoy different styles of vaping to suit my mood, or the occasion. I will always use my conventional gear, and still cloud out any room from time to time. But in a car, in a sitting room, or even on an aeroplane, this makes stealth vaping a breeze. It's a case of proper nicotine satisfaction with minimal vape production.

In conclusion, I must say this. I thoroughly enjoy MTL, BUT! -- ONLY with Nicotine salts. Yes, granted: "New is beautiful", and I won't deny; fads do come and go. Like any consumer, I am vulnerable to something "New". But for now, Nic salts are my thing. And I think there is a huge gap in the market for this.

I would love to read other vapers thoughts and experience, specifically with Nic Salts in a rebuildable RTA MTL device, not the pod systems. Without offending anyone, the pod systems are a waste of money for me personally. I don't like buying coils, or pods. Rebuldables only, are my style.

If you are interested, give the salts a bash. You may just be as pleasantly surprised as I am. I would love to read any feedback.

Here is a pic of my current MTL setup.
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I will let you know next week when all my refillable Pod Systems and Nic Salts arrive @Waine! I tried the pod systems before and gave up on them because normal juice in them is useless and the pods that came with juice were all pretty kak. But I understand that Mr Salt-E Nic Salts are the bomb and I have some inbound as we speak. I have always wanted a Beserker but MTL isn't for me... but I think I will get me one for the Nic Salt tests next week! :)

I love playing with new stuff!
 
Hi there Rob.

First tried the coils that come with the box. Some tiny Claptons. Not too bad. Not a fan of spaced coils, so today I went with 26 Kanthal, 2.75 ID, 8 wraps, coil facing up. The deck is tiny. Ohming out at 0.90

But the star of the show is #NicotineSalts and yes, I also love playing with new toys.

The Beserker alone is really nice, perhaps not for everyone, but I am having great fun with it. I cannot help repeat, it must be the salts. Got my salts on the left from SV (20mg) and the 4 on right (35mg) from Vape shop, Pav. (50mgs is rough, for the old "Gitanes" smokers)

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Hi there Rob.

First tried the coils that come with the box. Some tiny Claptons. Not too bad. Not a fan of spaced coils, so today I went with 26 Kanthal, 2.75 ID, 8 wraps, coil facing up. The deck is tiny.

But the star of the show is #NicotineSalts and yes, I also love playing with new toys.

The Beserker alone is really nice, perhaps not for everyone, but I cannot help repeat, it must be the salts. Got mine from Vape shop, Pav.

Many thanks @Waine! I have a selection of Mr Salt-E Nic Salts on the way to me from the USA. I have a few Pod Systems already and a couple on the way to test and the Berserker.
 
Hi there

This is the struggle - to make a fair distinction Im not sure yet. Both are really enjoyable. I asked a vendor owner yesterday, after I picked up the two the day before. His response was: "The Ares".

Asked why, "More air flow". The Ares is super amazing, and yes, the airflow is more. However, the Beserker Mini is restricted to minimal air flow, I think, to keep it true to a 22mm, genuine MTL RTA.

I'm no expert in MTL at all. Forced to choose: The Ares. Only because you have more tank capacity and bigger air flow options. Not to mention the packaging and accessories.

But the Beserker is such fun! With 3 tank options, SS, Glass or the yellow plastic.

Such nice gear to test out the salts.

I forgot to mention. I dont know if it is my imagination, but I get this taste, a bit like I have been vaping on a Durban beach on a hot sweaty day.
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Stunning post @Waine
Am following this
I am behind on the nic salts curve - need to catch up soon
 
I started out on a mtl about 6 years ago. 18mg juices. Moved over to DL 3mg and started DIY few years ago, i went down to 1.5mg, and now a few months back i bought a berserker and a siren v2, i mixed up some juices 50 50 vg pg with 14mg freebase nic. I tried mixing with nic salts, tried at 9mg, 18mg and 36mg. At 9 and 18mg i didn't get any throat hit, and it makes me cough instantly. Tried 36mg and it tasted very weird, like sour and bitter. Also no throat hit. So went back to freebase nic 14mg, i just crave that strong throat hit. And now i got the new berserker mtl rda, i use it on a regulated squonker. And its now the only setup i use. Im done with DL. This berserker rda is just the best thing i bought since i started vaping
 
I started out on a mtl about 6 years ago. 18mg juices. Moved over to DL 3mg and started DIY few years ago, i went down to 1.5mg, and now a few months back i bought a berserker and a siren v2, i mixed up some juices 50 50 vg pg with 14mg freebase nic. I tried mixing with nic salts, tried at 9mg, 18mg and 36mg. At 9 and 18mg i didn't get any throat hit, and it makes me cough instantly. Tried 36mg and it tasted very weird, like sour and bitter. Also no throat hit. So went back to freebase nic 14mg, i just crave that strong throat hit. And now i got the new berserker mtl rda, i use it on a regulated squonker. And its now the only setup i use. Im done with DL. This berserker rda is just the best thing i bought since i started vaping

How’s the flavour off the berserker mtl rda? I’m keen to get one
 
I like MTL on the gusto mini pod. But the pods are expensive. So I refill the old pods. It doesn't seem practical to me to carry a whole setup of a mod and a tank for a MTL setup. Since then looking for a small setup like the gusto with rebuildable capabilities.
May be will go for a sxk BB, or something like a a Eleaf icare where I can atleast try to rebuild the coils and refill it with DIY nic salts juice.
 
I like MTL on the gusto mini pod. But the pods are expensive. So I refill the old pods. It doesn't seem practical to me to carry a whole setup of a mod and a tank for a MTL setup. Since then looking for a small setup like the gusto with rebuildable capabilities.
May be will go for a sxk BB, or something like a a Eleaf icare where I can atleast try to rebuild the coils and refill it with DIY nic salts juice.

@Faiyaz Cheulkar I also like the Gusto Mini - and also find the pods expensive. Did you refill with DIY nic salts juice? I've tried using ordinary juice but it's just not the same - very little flavour and of course no throat hit.
 
@Faiyaz Cheulkar I also like the Gusto Mini - and also find the pods expensive. Did you refill with DIY nic salts juice? I've tried using ordinary juice but it's just not the same - very little flavour and of course no throat hit.
I don't have salt nic yet, so mixed 2ml of regular 36mg/ml nic from juicy Joe's with 10 drops of ry4 concentrate and topped it off with VG and little Pg.
 
Also tried the Gusto the Nic salts had a weird taste almost chemical if that makes sense.... Should maybe give it another go...thanks for the write up some things go full circle imo MTL gonna make a comeback in 2018...
 
Has anyone tried adding nic salt to the normal commercial juices...does it affect the flavour profile?
 
Has anyone tried adding nic salt to the normal commercial juices...does it affect the flavour profile?
Other than the dilution effect, it depends if you pick up a taste from nic salts or not. I, like @Daniel, get a distinctive chemical taste from it, but other do not.
 
I was on the prowl for a small device to use at work now and then (I don't normally vape at work) and I saw the Aspire Breeze being offered with either a 10mg or 20mg Nic salt e-liquid from Opus' new range. I saw the Breeze being offered as a special for two devices, two juices + four extra coils. I grabbed it and I must say I am really enjoying this little device. I like that I can change the coil which is cheaper than buying a new pod and there are two coils, one is a 0.6ohm DTL and the other is a 1.2 MTL. I am using the 0.6ohm with a 10mg Nic Salt and its fantastic.
 
I was on the prowl for a small device to use at work now and then (I don't normally vape at work) and I saw the Aspire Breeze being offered with either a 10mg or 20mg Nic salt e-liquid from Opus' new range. I saw the Breeze being offered as a special for two devices, two juices + four extra coils. I grabbed it and I must say I am really enjoying this little device. I like that I can change the coil which is cheaper than buying a new pod and there are two coils, one is a 0.6ohm DTL and the other is a 1.2 MTL. I am using the 0.6ohm with a 10mg Nic Salt and its fantastic.

Is this the new version , and pray tell where you got it ?
 
Is this the new version , and pray tell where you got it ?

Yes it is sir. This one comes with both the 0.6 and 1.2ohm coils in the box. It is from MetaVape in PTA (was a long drive from Fourways) which I assume is an Opus subsidiary.
 
I was on the prowl for a small device to use at work now and then (I don't normally vape at work) and I saw the Aspire Breeze being offered with either a 10mg or 20mg Nic salt e-liquid from Opus' new range. I saw the Breeze being offered as a special for two devices, two juices + four extra coils. I grabbed it and I must say I am really enjoying this little device. I like that I can change the coil which is cheaper than buying a new pod and there are two coils, one is a 0.6ohm DTL and the other is a 1.2 MTL. I am using the 0.6ohm with a 10mg Nic Salt and its fantastic.
What website was this special on ? How much did it cost in total
 
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