E-cig Myth-busting

[Hardtail1969]

just my own 2c...

Remember guys, any new development, that threatens to change or upset the established ways, is always seen as suspicious and treated accordingly.

This holds true for things like the internet, cellphones, in fact any new technology.

Goverments the world over owe their existence to taxation, and in many countries, there are "sin taxes", these are applied to products that are seen as "unhealthy" but not illegal.

Also, take cigarette companies, many are now sniffing around the smaller and bigger e-cig companies, the juice companies, and i would not be surprised to see a few being bought out in the future.

In the meantime, the reactions we are seeing, the pseudo science and alarmist news, all these are designed not necessarily to prevent vaping, but usually are done in a effort to ensure future validity and value of certain advocacy groups.

after all imagine what would happen to the multi billion dollar cancer industry if there was a miracle cure tomorrow?

all of these reports, look at who made them, look at what they "warn" about..then see what the purpose is - take lithium... now we are seeing petrol and car manufacturers warning consumers about the ecological harm that lithium mining is causing...and claiming their analog vehicles are more eco friendly and produce carbon which is claimed is a "tree food"...

when will all this end?

when goverments start to impose a tax on vape gear and juices.

when large corporates (RJ Reynolds et al.) buy the small startups and start to release "Camel, Winston, Benson Hedges" e-liquids.

Thats when Vaping will be accepted and be main streamed.

 

[Zia]

Finally something to show my parents to back me up.

 

[Adephi]

Finally something to show my parents to back me up.

Wish my folks would be that easy to convince. They rather believe Huisgenoot and RSG than any scientific paper.

 

[Zia]

Wish my folks would be that easy to convince. They rather believe Huisgenoot and RSG than any scientific paper.

Same lmao. This might help me but the odds are like 10%

 

[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

Ok Im a new vaper, but an old smoker. Something that always puzzled me. It all starts with the name. Vape. I assume its for vapor? And most vapors will tell you tjey just inhaling vapor
Now here is my question, all the juice I ever handled feels like oil. If you put oil on something hot, you get smoke, not vapor?

 

[stevie g]

Both VG and PG are classified as sugar alcohols.

 

[Puff the Magic Dragon]

Hi @Jean claude Vaaldamme . It looks like smoke but it is vapour.

Inhale the vapour and blow it out onto a piece of glass or window. If you do this a couple of times you will see and feel droplets on the glass. If you do this with a cigarette you will see very little or no moisture on the glass.

This is a layman's explanation. I'm sure others will give you a more scientific response.

 

[CTRiaan]

@Jean claude Vaaldamme , smoke is the result of combustion and vaping is done at a temperature that is lower than the eliquid's point of combustion.

 

[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

Thanks, but
If I breath onto glass without smoke or vaping there is also condensation?

If I put oil( cooking oil or olive) in a pan on the stove and leave it on, it starts smoking without combusting, and you can smell hhe burning oil for miles?

 

[CTRiaan]

@Jean claude Vaaldamme , that's why we don't vape olive oil.

 

[Raindance]

Thanks, but
If I breath onto glass without smoke or vaping there is also condensation?

If I put oil( cooking oil or olive) in a pan on the stove and leave it on, it starts smoking without combusting, and you can smell hhe burning oil for miles?

The difference being that our vape juice is not heated to a point where its chemistry changes. Our juices boiling point is lower than that of oil therefore it evaporates before it starts oxidizing or changing chemical composition.
You can ofcourse overheat it and get it to oxidize or burn but you would not vape the resulting vapour for pleasure. Our cotton would anyway ignite before you reach that point.

Regards

 

[Resistance]

Thanks, but
If I breath onto glass without smoke or vaping there is also condensation?

If I put oil( cooking oil or olive) in a pan on the stove and leave it on, it starts smoking without combusting, and you can smell hhe burning oil for miles?

Those fume are actually highly combustible vapours,with enough heat it will combust and shoot a ball of flames into the air and then the oil in the pan will ignite.

Vg and Pg is a of a different atomic structure but will also ignite when enough heat is introduced.

Oil is much denser. even if you could get it to vaporize, dont vape it.


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[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

Thanks for all the technical and scientific explanations. I no nothing about that. Sorry still not convinced, I know two sayings.
If it looks like smoke and smells like smoke, it must be smoke
Or
I know smoke and I know vapor, and this ant no vapor

 

[Grand Guru]

There are a few studies out there. Some of which were conducted by internationally recognized scientists. May be you should do some research bud.

 

[Raindance]

Thanks for all the technical and scientific explanations. I no nothing about that. Sorry still not convinced, I know two sayings.
If it looks like smoke and smells like smoke, it must be smoke
Or
I know smoke and I know vapor, and this ant no vapor

Trust me boet, I'm a doctor. Well ok, not really but then neither is Dr Phill.

Regards

 

[Alex]

Ok Im a new vaper, but an old smoker. Something that always puzzled me. It all starts with the name. Vape. I assume its for vapor? And most vapors will tell you tjey just inhaling vapor
Now here is my question, all the juice I ever handled feels like oil. If you put oil on something hot, you get smoke, not vapor?

 

[Jean claude Vaaldamme]

Thanks, nice video.. Im not disputing that vaping has less harmfull chemicals like tar(which I think is most of that brown in video). My problem is the vapor or smoke part. Maybe its like water vapor is actuallly a gas, so these vape vapor is also a gas but not water vapor, accordung to my experience.

Let me say in laymans terms. Check the steam coming out your kettle or a steam train and see how quickly is desolves in atmosphere. Now go to a cigar lounge, or a smoking area for example in a casino and look how the smoke "hangs" in the air, or even smoke yourself in a smal closed room.
Now go into these vaping lounges and spot if there is a difference

 

[Raindance]

Thanks, nice video.. Im not disputing that vaping has less harmfull chemicals like tar(which I think is most of that brown in video). My problem is the vapor or smoke part. Maybe its like water vapor is actuallly a gas, so these vape vapor is also a gas but not water vapor, accordung to my experience.

Let me say in laymans terms. Check the steam coming out your kettle or a steam train and see how quickly is desolves in atmosphere. Now go to a cigar lounge, or a smoking area for example in a casino and look how the smoke "hangs" in the air, or even smoke yourself in a smal closed room.
Now go into these vaping lounges and spot if there is a difference

Smoke is ash and soot suspended in the air. Vapor is a gas.

Regards

 

[Adephi]

Back when I was smoking you could tar a highway with the stuff I coughed up every morning. Since I stopped smoking and only vaped there is no cough in the morning or wierd substances greeting me.

That's the difference for me.

 

[Alex]

Thanks, nice video.. Im not disputing that vaping has less harmfull chemicals like tar(which I think is most of that brown in video). My problem is the vapor or smoke part. Maybe its like water vapor is actuallly a gas, so these vape vapor is also a gas but not water vapor, accordung to my experience.

Let me say in laymans terms. Check the steam coming out your kettle or a steam train and see how quickly is desolves in atmosphere. Now go to a cigar lounge, or a smoking area for example in a casino and look how the smoke "hangs" in the air, or even smoke yourself in a smal closed room.
Now go into these vaping lounges and spot if there is a difference

https://www.vapingpost.com/2018/08/...e-vapour-does-not-contain-toxic-formaldehyde/

 

[Grand Guru]

In my humble opinion the facts are simple here. Vaping is a relatively a new thing and we probably still have not the slightest clue of its long term side effects. And it’ll probably take us a good 100 years before we can talk about it with certainty. After all it took us about 4 or 5 hundred years to condamn the stinkies.
Obviously the research studies that were conducted were done bearing in mind the well known effects of smoking so we’re probably not looking in the right direction...

Formaldehyde, Diacetyl leading to popcorn lungs etc. are molecules that you may (or not) be exposed to whilst vaping. It’s a risk we’re all willingly taking provided that we avoid the 4000+ chemicals we certainly used to inhale when sucking on the stinky sticks.

My choice is made! I opt for the evil I don’t know!

 

[Jansen]

Very interesting factoids and a lot of information both for and against vaping.

To add my 2 cents, I was a medium to heavy smoker smoking between 1 and 2 packs of camel classic per day and about a month ago I took up vaping and haven't touched a cigarette since (I have an unfinished pack lying here).

I feel a lot better and as mentioned the morning cough has disappeared, my smell and taste are better and I believe I also smell better.

Now looking at all (or at least some )of the scientific research I can add one thing with certainty, I feel 200% better and that is a huge plus for me irrespective of what the nay Sayers are stating.

Happy clouds

 

[Adephi]

In my humble opinion the facts are simple here. Vaping is a relatively a new thing and we probably still have not the slightest clue of its long term side effects. And it’ll probably take us a good 100 years before we can talk about it with certainty. After all it took us about 4 or 5 hundred years to condamn the stinkies.
Obviously the research studies that were conducted were done bearing in mind the well known effects of smoking so we’re probably not looking in the right direction...

Formaldehyde, Diacetyl leading to popcorn lungs etc. are molecules that you may (or not) be exposed to whilst vaping. It’s a risk we’re all willingly taking provided that we avoid the 4000+ chemicals we certainly used to inhale when sucking on the stinky sticks.

My choice is made! I opt for the evil I don’t know!

The very first scientific studies on smoking was done in the 1960's. Within about 9 months it was found that smoking causes cancer. But the industry just kept on booming. Instead of banning it it was encouraged.

Vaping has been researched for over 10 years and no conclusive evidence to any major illness have been linked directly to vaping. I think we are moving into long term phases of the studies by now.

 

[Alex]

To anyone interested have a look here

https://www.ecigssa.co.za/health-matters.f60/

 

[Elmien]

In my humble opinion the facts are simple here. Vaping is a relatively a new thing and we probably still have not the slightest clue of its long term side effects. And it’ll probably take us a good 100 years before we can talk about it with certainty. After all it took us about 4 or 5 hundred years to condamn the stinkies.
Obviously the research studies that were conducted were done bearing in mind the well known effects of smoking so we’re probably not looking in the right direction...

Formaldehyde, Diacetyl leading to popcorn lungs etc. are molecules that you may (or not) be exposed to whilst vaping. It’s a risk we’re all willingly taking provided that we avoid the 4000+ chemicals we certainly used to inhale when sucking on the stinky sticks.

My choice is made! I opt for the evil I don’t know!

An interesting response to the formaldehyde study:

Some info on the diacetyl: