Stinkies are from hell MR Deedz does it MTL

@MrDeedz

I started smoking whilst still at school, during the December holidays between (what was then) Standard 7 and 8. After school I tried multiple times to quit, but with little success.

My Mom was a smoker and she passed away on 31 January 2017 (after her third or fourth heart attack). My daughter was just over a month old when my Mom passed away. She would grow up without ever knowing her Grandmother and I realised that I had to quit if I were to see my daughter grow up and if I were to be a part of her life, but with my track record, I wasn't sure whether I would have much success.

In 2018 a colleague and friend allowed me to take a hit on his setup (correct me if I'm wrong with the date here @Hypersonic136 ;-)). A little while thereafter, I bought the exact same mod, but with a different RTA than the one he had. I got a Voopoo Drag with a Wotofo Bravo.

I tried my best, but was only able to alternate between vaping and smoking. I'd start my day off with a Stuyvesant Menthol (Boost) and a cup of coffee, and would have a couple of smokes during the course of the day and vaping in between. The wife often reminded me that I had wasted money on buying a vape setup whilst still smoking and complained more often than not about the way I smelled after having a smoke, which I can understand.

It took a long time for me to alternate between smoking and vaping during the day and only vaping at night, when I was at home with my wife and daughter.

On the evening of the 23rd of November 2019, we had a braai at my house with family members. It was a bit of bender and I had smoked more that evening than I had in a long time. I woke up the next morning, lungs hurting a bit, and decided that I was going to pick up my mod instead of my pack of smokes, or what was left of it.

Today marks the 68th day since I last had a smoke.

I clearly remember a comment my brother had made at yet another braai. It was about two weeks after I last had a smoke and I said to him that I missed the taste of a cigarette while sipping away on a "beverage" :devil: I was definitely not intending on lighting up, but at that moment, I missed the taste.

He said "If you haven't had a smoke in two weeks, you'll only make an ass of yourself if you light up now". Since then I've had good days and bad days (like we all do), but every time I thought of how I missed the taste, or if I was in a stressful situation, or just plain stripped my moer, I thought of what my brother had said to me and, instead of lighting up, I grabbed a hold of my mod and puffed away.

Everybody is unique. For some, the change is easier than for others. For some, it takes a little longer to make the change than for others. Some relapse and others don't. To this day I can't tell you what exactly flipped the switch in my brain on that specific day, after more than a year of trying to quit. Maybe I was just gatvol, maybe it was just perseverance.

All I can say is that we are all here and we all share a common goal, to quit and to keep it that way for as long as we can. We're all human and chances are some of us will relapse at some point in time. I commend you for reaching out and trying your level best to quit.

This is an amazing community and I think I speak for everyone here when I say that we will always be here to support our brothers and sisters in our battle to quit. I don't care how many times you, or anyone else, has relapsed, a) don't be too hard on yourself, b) reach out and speak up for help/advice, c) perseverance is key!!

Keep doing what you're doing and let us know how it goes.

Regards.

Bro,that's Awesome and respect to your bro. for the audible adjustment.
I also get that feeling sometimes and when I do the Twisp tobacco is my go to.
But then again any Twisp juice takes my cravings away no matter the NIC content and flavour.
Congrats on the achievement and keep it up.
 
@Room Fogger

I whole heartedly agree. I think we're all so hell bent on giving up and trying so hard that we completely forget that there are no guidelines for quiting.

@Resistance

Thanks. I might look into a Twisp of sorts at some point in time for those "bad" days. ;-)

I am currently just taking it a day at time and reminding myself that I managed to go without a smoke the day before, so I'll be able to get through today as well.
 
I smoked more than a pack of Camels per day for over 30 years. I started vaping just over five years ago. From the first day of vaping I didn't touch another stinky. I had never tried to stop smoking before. I also had no real intention of trying vaping to stop smoking. I love gadgets and thought that I would just try it out for fun.

After the first few puffs on an Ego Clearomizer something must have clicked in my brain which convinced me that it was a total replacement for smoking. I never looked back. I started buying new kit like there was no tomorrow. I think that I was also lucky to be one of the early users because new groundbreaking stuff was coming out at an amazing rate. For a gadget freak, it was an exciting time. When the Subtank Mini RBA came out it was game over for smoking.

I was "lucky" because, as I said earlier, something just clicked and I truly believed that there was no reason to smoke again because vaping was not only a good replacement but it was in fact far better. My addiction to smoking was based on nic plus the rituals associated with smoking (habit). Vaping provided an infinitely customisable nic delivery system which was far superior to smoking which was based solely on more cigs equals more nic. The vaping rituals are way more intricate than the smoking ones. There is an almost infinite number of variables to play with (mods,RTAs, RBA,s RDTAs, batteries, chargers, DIY juice, coils, cotton, etc. etc. etc.).

Perhaps the greatest influence on me was the Ecigssa forum. Everything was new and exciting and I was able to share in the progress with a great bunch of fellow enthusiasts. Things have changed in the vaping world and the focus of the forum has also changed. What remains is the desire to help others to quit smoking.

Good luck @MrDeedz .
 
U can have the best of gear ,AIO, pod systems , Nic salts etc, however will all still come back to U and how important it is to U to quit the stinkies.... Smoked for 27 years, going on just over 1.5 years cigarette free now and I can assure u it’s not so easy to quit... Will take a lot of willpower; support from people around you and all the vape stuff off course.... Take 1 day at a time and stay strong.....
 
I am now stinkie free since September of 2012. For those that can remember back that far, we had a bad time of things. I was on 20-30 per day, and I hear you, more when potting.
But what was this vaping thing, man this looks like an answer but we did not have a lot of choice and almost exclusively MTL. Cigalikes, small pen style devices and then the big breakthrough, tanks with wicks. This was what did the trick for me but throughout all of that journey I was using 36mg juice and I believe that is what ultimately pulled me off the addiction to stinkies.

I have however seen first hand how many people have said I want off the stinkies and then and gone out and on the advice of the vaping shop salesperson bought a 200 w dual 18650 mod and disposable tanks with a 0.15 coil and 3mg nic juice.

This will not work and I have given up trying to explain why the very expensive kit they just bought will not help with the addiction. I just get abused and told vaping is !@#%.

Many years ago I read a paper about human nicotine demand. I was astonished at how much nicotine is in other foodstuffs and plants and how the body has a natural demand for nicotine. This is why it does not poison us. It also explained why if we smoke as teens our body's demand more as adults.

To my mind this all makes sense and if my 2c is worth 2c then I can almost categorize the requirements.

Heavy smoker trying to quit equals MTL device pushing high nic content. Long battery life and minimum fuss tank. (It really is easy to pull out a box and a lighter and stick a stinkie in your face)

Light smoker or social smoker looking to convert equals trendy mod, med to low nic juice and maybe a tank with easy to change pre built coils

Vaper: here we can go mad. I consider myself in this category but previously was in the first. Vaping is now a lifestyle a continuous learning curve of mods , tanks, batteries, coil building and DIY juice blending. A hobby that can take me from an all day MTL to a cloud chasing dual clapton. From a Pico with a Melo to a EHPRO semi mech mod and Nano wasp.

So to the OP, your journey has just begun, if it is too hot, let the window down a bit, get some wind in your hair and enjoy the ride.
 
Morning gents, Hope all is well your side, today marks 3 weeks going strong lol. Im also very strong on them Cue pods needless to say lol. Almost on a pod a day. I have a Zeus single coil RTA. Yesterday I topped it up with some 3mg Juice and eish Its hard to believe that I dont get any throat hit from 3mg anymore which is scary.
I would like to gain some easy to understand knowledge:
What is the main differences between a MTL RTA and a Normal RTA?
Is it mainly just the draw?
MTL RTA's use high nic freebase juices and different coils?
 
Morning gents, Hope all is well your side, today marks 3 weeks going strong lol. Im also very strong on them Cue pods needless to say lol. Almost on a pod a day. I have a Zeus single coil RTA. Yesterday I topped it up with some 3mg Juice and eish Its hard to believe that I dont get any throat hit from 3mg anymore which is scary.
I would like to gain some easy to understand knowledge:
What is the main differences between a MTL RTA and a Normal RTA?
Is it mainly just the draw?
MTL RTA's use high nic freebase juices and different coils?
@MrDeedz , Biggest difference is that MTL rta’s are usually single coil units that use a higher resistance coil and a tighter draw to mimic the “ciggy” type draw. They can vary from very tight, to loose MTL but can also be used for a restricted DL, tank dependent. Not all of them have that ability to do both perfectly.
I have found that I sometimes get better flavour from MTL than DL, and you usually do higher nic 50/50 juices in them, some can handle 60/40 and even 70/30. Examples, OBS MTL has a vey tight draw imho, Savour looser to slightly restricted DL, Siren 2 best all rounder for me. You will have to try a couple to find your sweet spot.

BTW, I love my Zeus for flavour, but the airflow is nearly fully closed these days if I use it! If you need some more info pm me, I may even be able to do a meetup location depending where in Gauteng you are for you to try some of mine to give you a better idea. Have 2 pod systems you can try as well that work well.
 
Firstly, congrats on the three weeks stinky free.

Regarding doing 3mg DL. IMHO the biggest mistake made when quitting is moving over to lower nic too early. It's fun to do some low nic DL when you are quitting but I don't think one should try to reduce nic early on. After about a month of quitting our confidence seems to grow and we tell ourselves that we have done the job and can now move on to the next phase of reducing nic. I believe that this is often the reason why people "successfully" quit, but then return to smoking after a few months.

I realise that you are still using the Cue. This is good. Don't be tempted to reduce the pod by substituting the DL RTA.

One of our well-known forumites (you know who you are :)) has been stinky free for years but still vapes 18mg MTL most of the time because he likes the throat hit. IMO there is absolutely nothing wrong with this. Nic is not our enemy..... smoking tobacco is.

Just my 2mg worth. Keep up the good work.
 
If you need some more info pm me, I may even be able to do a meetup location depending where in Gauteng you are for you to try some of mine to give you a better idea. Have 2 pod systems you can try as well that work well.

@Room Fogger strikes again. Great offer.

I recall that when I "rated" you I said something along the lines of "you are a true vaper's friend". This has always proven to be the case. Rock on.
 
I have a couple of single coil RDA's that @Room Fogger can pick up for you should you be interested. Might even have a sqounker to go with it. Let me know, the clever guys will just have to help you with the right coil options for MTL as I am a DL vaper.
 
Wow we are cut from the same cloth brother LOL. I was actually thinking of tobacco juice in an RDA, The twisp did cross my mind but we all know how we all bantered TWISP back in the day lol, But I cant lie the Twisp Clearo is what got me off ciggies back in the day, With that Tobacco juice that had a woody taste to me and the only tobacco juice i could enjoy, Think I, gona get a twisp cue on payday and give it a bash. i might need 3 Cues if it works lol, addict behavior, always needed back ups on backups and i dont think the cue battery lasts long, thanks for the post and honesty, Much appreciated
Have you considered doing an MTL RDA/RDTA with a squonker?
You can run it on the "hotter" side if you want and the RDA should get you closer to a "wet" vape, not that it will ever get close to a big DL RDA setup.
I agree with some of the advice about getting a good tobacco liquid with a nice sharp throat hit and good Nic levels, as I can only assume it's that tobacco comfort that pulls you back to the stinkies.
I was on 20+ a day and am coming up on a year without (18 March will be a VERY big day in my life) and my daily vape is a 12mg tobacco in a Kayfun Lite. I vary between three juices, each with a different accent to battle the sensory fatigue. This is my habitual fix, then I have a DL setup that changes every week as my "sweet treat" in-between the tobaccos.
What works for me may not work for you, so you need to find that setup that gives you that same initial "aahhhh" feeling that a slow drag of a cigarette gives you at the end of a long day. Once you find that, you are golden.
 
Firstly, congrats on the three weeks stinky free.

Regarding doing 3mg DL. IMHO the biggest mistake made when quitting is moving over to lower nic too early. It's fun to do some low nic DL when you are quitting but I don't think one should try to reduce nic early on. After about a month of quitting our confidence seems to grow and we tell ourselves that we have done the job and can now move on to the next phase of reducing nic. I believe that this is often the reason why people "successfully" quit, but then return to smoking after a few months.

I realise that you are still using the Cue. This is good. Don't be tempted to reduce the pod by substituting the DL RTA.

One of our well-known forumites (you know who you are :)) has been stinky free for years but still vapes 18mg MTL most of the time because he likes the throat hit. IMO there is absolutely nothing wrong with this. Nic is not our enemy..... smoking tobacco is.

Just my 2mg worth. Keep up the good work.
I totally agree with all what you said there. If you’re starting at a high level of Nic to get off the stinkies then don’t be afraid to take your time to wean yourself off very slowly otherwise you’re running the risk of a bounce off effect. Try setting very affordable targets and be patient if you can’t cut down on the Nic then you are not ready yet or maybe that is simply your sweet spot and you have to accept it. I started at 18mg 3 and a half year ago and I’m at 1mg in MTL Mode most of the time nowadays but still do feel the urge to up the Nic a bit from time to time. Enjoy the journey!
 
Thanks, Thats why I love this forum, always helps to outsource your thinking, After reading Puffs & Room Foggers insightful comments it struck home, Not gona think I am done now and back to 3mg juices on an RDA. I just miss being a flavor chaser but lately I realized I need the NIC hit.



Went to my local twips stand now and stocked up for another 10 days after the comments,
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Will revisit THE MTL RTA topic again maybe at the end of the month and see if the budget permits me getting a decent MTL RTA even if its second.

There are 3 MTL RTA's I would do research on that Jurgen from this forum recommended to me. Met him over the wknd. Top bloke with alot of knowledge!

eXpromizer v4
Ammit MTL
Hellvape MD

Will Def take you up on that invite in the near future @Room Fogger . Need to test a few MTL RTA's and see if its actually something I would like. Much appreesh for this.

Thanks again guys for sharing the love and insight!
 
Thanks, Thats why I love this forum, always helps to outsource your thinking, After reading Puffs & Room Foggers insightful comments it struck home, Not gona think I am done now and back to 3mg juices on an RDA. I just miss being a flavor chaser but lately I realized I need the NIC hit.



Went to my local twips stand now and stocked up for another 10 days after the comments,
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Will revisit THE MTL RTA topic again maybe at the end of the month and see if the budget permits me getting a decent MTL RTA even if its second.

There are 3 MTL RTA's I would do research on that Jurgen from this forum recommended to me. Met him over the wknd. Top bloke with alot of knowledge!

eXpromizer v4
Ammit MTL
Hellvape MD

Will Def take you up on that invite in the near future @Room Fogger . Need to test a few MTL RTA's and see if its actually something I would like. Much appreesh for this.

Thanks again guys for sharing the love and insight!

If you do decide to go RTA/RDA the Nautilus 2 is also a good option with variable airflow that can be dialed in to mimic the draw from a stinkie and it works with NIC salts too. The Berserker RDA is also a winner. I didn't try the RTA but it's on my wishlist.
 

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Congrats @MrDeedz
Great achievement!!

With MTL, I find I need higher Nic
And I also find that the throat hit I get on a MTL setup with higher Nic is way more intense (and pleasurable) than lower Nic on a Direct Lung device.

That said I have also liked direct lung a lot because on some juices it’s just more suited to it for me. But a different sensation altogether.

So doing both with favourite juices seems to work well.

I have heard good things about the expromiser v4 and have my eye on it. Get a good MTL RTA and try it out. But you need to experiment with the juices. Some work better than others imo.
 
If you do decide to go RTA/RDA the Nautilus 2 is also a good option with variable airflow that can be dialed in to mimic the draw from a stinkie and it works with NIC salts too. The Berserker RDA is also a winner. I didn't try the RTA but it's on my wishlist.
The Nautilus 2 kinda looks like bender from Futurama
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The Nautilus 2 kinda looks like bender from Futurama
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For me the main thing is it works great and I will also take a throat hit over flavour but on this ATTY I get both so I'm content with the looks
 
Congrats @MrDeedz
Great achievement!!

With MTL, I find I need higher Nic
And I also find that the throat hit I get on a MTL setup with higher Nic is way more intense (and pleasurable) than lower Nic on a Direct Lung device.

That said I have also liked direct lung a lot because on some juices it’s just more suited to it for me. But a different sensation altogether.

So doing both with favourite juices seems to work well.

I have heard good things about the expromiser v4 and have my eye on it. Get a good MTL RTA and try it out. But you need to experiment with the juices. Some work better than others imo.
Most Def mate. I am gonna have to find the right NIC strength and flavor profile. Looking for that "sweet" spot all over again lol. how fun :facepalm:
 
Morning gents. Any personal reviews on the Berseker Mini RTA?
No I never had one,always wanted one, but I have an RDA. And when I got the right coil in there VV superfine MTL that @Silver recommend, I could not put it down.
 
Most Def mate. I am gonna have to find the right NIC strength and flavor profile. Looking for that "sweet" spot all over again lol. how fun :facepalm:
For me - 8_12mg and play with the wattage (coil 0.5-1.0) An RTA is different to a pod system from my experience. If I go to high on NIC and have the wattage too low I start coughing unless I have a 1-2ohm coil on 12mg plus juice. too high a wattage and everything burns.
 
I find this thread so helpful but just a question to the people on this thread, how would you compare the Caliburn or the Bo One to the Cue? Better, worse, same...
 
I find this thread so helpful but just a question to the people on this thread, how would you compare the Caliburn or the Bo One to the Cue? Better, worse, same...

I can't answer that question. I have a cue and a Vladdin RE. I'd rate the Vladdin as good as the Cue as the refillable option, but that's only one perspective. The juice is the other half of the equation.
 
So i got me a Berserker. Brace yourselves Many Q's Inbound lol.
Excited to start a new vape journey on MTL RTA's :pesas:. Lets see how it goes. :headbang:
Just some quick Q's please:
Any recommended Flavor coils for the Berseker Mini gents?
Do i use normal freebase juice in an MTL RTA or HAVE to use MTL Juice?
Not sure what Nic strength my first bottle of juice should be to give it a try?


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