Clones Sub-Forum?

[Yagya]

I also dont see the need for any separation here.
When HE gear gets posted here, I'm like WOW, awesome!! and i drool over it a while but then move on.
We need to be happy for others who can afford and who is brave enough to buy HE gear.

 

[boxerulez]

What if I wanted to post a Clone on top of a Kodama? Ahh yes, ok the Kodama is not Expensive enough to offend anyway.

 

[RichJB]

I think the belief that vapers are a community is an outmoded notion now. It may have been true back in the day when 0.1% of the population were vaping and everybody was an enthusiast messing around with mechs and silica wicks and whatnot. Nowadays it is no more a community than beer-drinkers or gun-owners or rugby watchers or 4X4 drivers are a community. So the "we need to stand together as a community and agree on things" sentiment is not tenable. People vape for a variety of reasons and they are interested by different aspects of vaping. Divisions have occurred naturally and there will be natural antipathy, if not outright hostility, between different groups. We even see intra-group hostility. Kreed's VHM DIY group are at loggerheads with Wayne's DoD group, and so on.

It is clear that clones are a red rag to some, and 'elitist' HE gear is a red rag to others. Appealing for calm isn't going to help. One might as well appeal to Hillary supporters to stop ragging on Trump, and Trump supporters to stop ragging on Hillary. Ain't gonna happen. People are what they are and they do what they do. "Stay calm and let's all be friends" will only get you so far.

The best one can hope for is "live and let live". But that is a lot easier to accomplish when filters are in place. If people want to race quad bikes on Sundays, that is fine by me. When they do it up and down the river bank outside my property, it's in my face and therefore harder to ignore. It's easier for me to "live and let live" when there is the filter that the quad bikers are out of sight and out of earshot.

In the social media age, we are gravitating towards "echo chambers", social media groups where like-minded souls convene and won't be triggered by contrary views. If you have a generic "US politics" forum, it will be a spittle-flecked flamebait warzone within seconds. So instead Trump supporters congregate in Trump FB groups, and Dems in Dem FB groups.

It may sound intolerant and it is, but people are triggered by the most innocuous things. Much of this forum is hand-checks, they are among the most popular threads. If you post a hand-check on the DIY sub-Reddit, the post will be deleted. If you do it again, you will be banned. It is a red rag to some. I hear @Andre's point that the forum should be a home to all. But allowing people to filter their feeds does no harm imo. I can't stand tricking for example. I am happy to let live and give trickers their space. But if there are five new trick video threads at the top of Vape Discussions every time I log in, it starts to grate. It means that it's pushing other threads (which I may be more interested in) off the front page, and I now have to go and search for them. Giving me the option to filter all Tricking sub-forum threads (if there was one) off the main page tailors the content to my interests and makes me happier. Likewise, a tricker can filter out me waffling about DIY and get more tricking threads on his feed. We are both happier because neither of us is in the other's face.

It doesn't mean that any group is not allowed to discuss their interest or that any group is favoured. It just makes it easier to "live and let live" when other people's interests aren't visible. It also doesn't mean that you have to apply the filter. Anybody who wants to see all threads on all topics is free to do so.

 

[Chukin'Vape]

I think the belief that vapers are a community is an outmoded notion now. It may have been true back in the day when 0.1% of the population were vaping and everybody was an enthusiast messing around with mechs and silica wicks and whatnot. Nowadays it is no more a community than beer-drinkers or gun-owners or rugby watchers or 4X4 drivers are a community. So the "we need to stand together as a community and agree on things" sentiment is not tenable. People vape for a variety of reasons and they are interested by different aspects of vaping. Divisions have occurred naturally and there will be natural antipathy, if not outright hostility, between different groups. We even see intra-group hostility. Kreed's VHM DIY group are at loggerheads with Wayne's DoD group, and so on.

It is clear that clones are a red rag to some, and 'elitist' HE gear is a red rag to others. Appealing for calm isn't going to help. One might as well appeal to Hillary supporters to stop ragging on Trump, and Trump supporters to stop ragging on Hillary. Ain't gonna happen. People are what they are and they do what they do. "Stay calm and let's all be friends" will only get you so far.

The best one can hope for is "live and let live". But that is a lot easier to accomplish when filters are in place. If people want to race quad bikes on Sundays, that is fine by me. When they do it up and down the river bank outside my property, it's in my face and therefore harder to ignore. It's easier for me to "live and let live" when there is the filter that the quad bikers are out of sight and out of earshot.

In the social media age, we are gravitating towards "echo chambers", social media groups where like-minded souls convene and won't be triggered by contrary views. If you have a generic "US politics" forum, it will be a spittle-flecked flamebait warzone within seconds. So instead Trump supporters congregate in Trump FB groups, and Dems in Dem FB groups.

It may sound intolerant and it is, but people are triggered by the most innocuous things. Much of this forum is hand-checks, they are among the most popular threads. If you post a hand-check on the DIY sub-Reddit, the post will be deleted. If you do it again, you will be banned. It is a red rag to some. I hear @Andre's point that the forum should be a home to all. But allowing people to filter their feeds does no harm imo. I can't stand tricking for example. I am happy to let live and give trickers their space. But if there are five new trick video threads at the top of Vape Discussions every time I log in, it starts to grate. It means that it's pushing other threads (which I may be more interested in) off the front page, and I now have to go and search for them. Giving me the option to filter all Tricking sub-forum threads (if there was one) off the main page tailors the content to my interests and makes me happier. Likewise, a tricker can filter out me waffling about DIY and get more tricking threads on his feed. We are both happier because neither of us is in the other's face.

It doesn't mean that any group is not allowed to discuss their interest or that any group is favoured. It just makes it easier to "live and let live" when other people's interests aren't visible. It also doesn't mean that you have to apply the filter. Anybody who wants to see all threads on all topics is free to do so.

I could not agree more with what @RichJB is saying here - ultimately we all love vaping, so allow us to filter what we are not interested in. You might actually find that the hostility will simmer down. I would hate a thread about a authentic, being overrun by clone related comments - they should have a separate thread, not to divide them - but to keep the information more relevant.

 

[Daniel]

I could not agree more with what @RichJB is saying here - ultimately we all love vaping, so allow us to filter what we are not interested in. You might actually find that the hostility will simmer down. I would hate a thread about a authentic, being overrun by clone related comments - they should have a separate thread, not to divide them - but to keep the information more relevant.

Hence my suggestion create a sub-forum , not sure of the technology behind the forum but surely filters can be implemented.

Manage the forum , not the people on it .....

 

[Deckie]

Vaping has evolved to such an extent that maybe it's time for the forum to evolve as well. The community has grown, people's needs, wants as well opinions have changed along with technology in leaps and bounds. The playing fields have grown so much so that the field has become over crowded. It's like starting, for instance a soccer club, in the beginning the club is so small that 6 y/o's & adults play & practice together and as the club grows more space is need and eventually age groups have to be separated, hence more fields.

Who could have imagined 2 years ago we would be where we are today. Even last year at VapeCon HE was not known to us, we were all just Vapers chasing what's available through the local vendors or placing orders through Fasttech, 3Fvape, Gearbest & such, waiting patiently for up to 3 months for our assortment of mods, RTA's, RDA's and all the other crap that caught our eyes, even though we didn't really need it. Now we have HE, Clones and the mass produced kits, mods, RTA's, RDTA's & RDA's from well known Chinese companies such as Smok, eLeaf, Wismec etc .... we have choice which 2 years ago would have boggled our minds.

So just an idea, isn't it maybe time the forum evolved to accommodate everyone along with differing opinions, wants, needs, ideas and tastes?

My humble opinion.

 

[craigb]

"because feelings" is not an good enough reason.

What specific problems or issues do users of clone goods have that are specific to clones? (assholes amongst "purists" doesn't count because douchebags appear in every subculture)

I would rather say if HE pisses you off, or if clones yank at your toenails... Then ignore the thread. Don't click on it.

Putting discussion about clones into a different sub forum isn't going to stop antagonists from seeing and replying to the threads. They are still going to dive in, fling poo and leave everyone behind covered in excrement.

As a generalization, some people are extremely thin skinned and overreact at the slightest hint that a comment can be interpreted against them.

Maybe we all need to take a break, load up on juice and have a vape while considering the difference between straw man and steel man arguments.

Always try and interpret the other argument in the best possible light, and reply as such. That way, the overall discussion is beneficial to everyone that views the thread and we are able to have constructive debate on any topic without being divisive or spiteful.

 

[Cespian]

As a generalization, some people are extremely thin skinned

Nicotine will degrade faster in VG

 

[Scott]

I think the belief that vapers are a community is an outmoded notion now. It may have been true back in the day when 0.1% of the population were vaping and everybody was an enthusiast messing around with mechs and silica wicks and whatnot. Nowadays it is no more a community than beer-drinkers or gun-owners or rugby watchers or 4X4 drivers are a community. So the "we need to stand together as a community and agree on things" sentiment is not tenable. People vape for a variety of reasons and they are interested by different aspects of vaping. Divisions have occurred naturally and there will be natural antipathy, if not outright hostility, between different groups. We even see intra-group hostility. Kreed's VHM DIY group are at loggerheads with Wayne's DoD group, and so on.

It is clear that clones are a red rag to some, and 'elitist' HE gear is a red rag to others. Appealing for calm isn't going to help. One might as well appeal to Hillary supporters to stop ragging on Trump, and Trump supporters to stop ragging on Hillary. Ain't gonna happen. People are what they are and they do what they do. "Stay calm and let's all be friends" will only get you so far.

The best one can hope for is "live and let live". But that is a lot easier to accomplish when filters are in place. If people want to race quad bikes on Sundays, that is fine by me. When they do it up and down the river bank outside my property, it's in my face and therefore harder to ignore. It's easier for me to "live and let live" when there is the filter that the quad bikers are out of sight and out of earshot.

In the social media age, we are gravitating towards "echo chambers", social media groups where like-minded souls convene and won't be triggered by contrary views. If you have a generic "US politics" forum, it will be a spittle-flecked flamebait warzone within seconds. So instead Trump supporters congregate in Trump FB groups, and Dems in Dem FB groups.

It may sound intolerant and it is, but people are triggered by the most innocuous things. Much of this forum is hand-checks, they are among the most popular threads. If you post a hand-check on the DIY sub-Reddit, the post will be deleted. If you do it again, you will be banned. It is a red rag to some. I hear @Andre's point that the forum should be a home to all. But allowing people to filter their feeds does no harm imo. I can't stand tricking for example. I am happy to let live and give trickers their space. But if there are five new trick video threads at the top of Vape Discussions every time I log in, it starts to grate. It means that it's pushing other threads (which I may be more interested in) off the front page, and I now have to go and search for them. Giving me the option to filter all Tricking sub-forum threads (if there was one) off the main page tailors the content to my interests and makes me happier. Likewise, a tricker can filter out me waffling about DIY and get more tricking threads on his feed. We are both happier because neither of us is in the other's face.

It doesn't mean that any group is not allowed to discuss their interest or that any group is favoured. It just makes it easier to "live and let live" when other people's interests aren't visible. It also doesn't mean that you have to apply the filter. Anybody who wants to see all threads on all topics is free to do so.

I personally don't believe there is any place on a forum such as this for moderation simply because it doesn't fit into your class or "principle" notion of what's acceptable. Surely we all entitled to voice an opinion or be proud of our gear if that's what we can afford. Moderate and sanction severe vulgarity, pornography, or illegal activity. I believe we should be treated as adults and the heavy-handed and unilateral enforcement of often arbitrary censorship which is vested in an elite few be reduced significantly.

 

[craigb]

Nicotine will degrade faster in VG

Repeating it doesn't make it relevant

 

[Deckie]

Nicotine will degrade faster in VG

Precisely

 

[Alex]

To be honest, I'm really sick to death of the entire HE vs Clone thing on this forum.

In reality nobody else gives a damn what device you have in your hand, and new things are coming out all the time, so all the "new toys" are old news in two months anyway. Lets just get past this stupid argument.

Every vaping device that keeps you from smoking, is freaking high end in my book.

 

[Gersh]

*posts hand check / vape gear

"Authentic or clone"

Authentic bud

"NICE!"

....How many times have you seen someone congratulate someone else because their gear it's not a clone. And if the reply is "clone" the next general response is "how's it compared to the authentic" #sigh ...

this way of thinking won't stop unfortunately


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[BioHAZarD]

Post what you want where u want without being rude and then give the [USERGROUP=3]@Admins[/USERGROUP] crap for the subsequent deletion. they will get the message eventually.

 

[Stosta]

Post what you want where u want and then give the [USERGROUP=3]@Admins[/USERGROUP] crap for the subsequent deletion. they will get the message eventually.

What's the message?

 

[BioHAZarD]

What's the message?

sorry made a quick edit there.

the frustration stems from not being able to saying anything in a HE forum abt a clone I think as it is seen as promoting a clone in the HE forum

I could be wrong but I have seen some deletions based on that. no trying to derail OP's thread

I do however pick up that most have no issue with throwing HE and non-HE together?

if I am missing the point feel free to flame away

 

[Amir]

Vaping has evolved to such an extent that maybe it's time for the forum to evolve as well. The community has grown, people's needs, wants as well opinions have changed along with technology in leaps and bounds. The playing fields have grown so much so that the field has become over crowded. It's like starting, for instance a soccer club, in the beginning the club is so small that 6 y/o's & adults play & practice together and as the club grows more space is need and eventually age groups have to be separated, hence more fields.

Who could have imagined 2 years ago we would be where we are today. Even last year at VapeCon HE was not known to us, we were all just Vapers chasing what's available through the local vendors or placing orders through Fasttech, 3Fvape, Gearbest & such, waiting patiently for up to 3 months for our assortment of mods, RTA's, RDA's and all the other crap that caught our eyes, even though we didn't really need it. Now we have HE, Clones and the mass produced kits, mods, RTA's, RDTA's & RDA's from well known Chinese companies such as Smok, eLeaf, Wismec etc .... we have choice which 2 years ago would have boggled our minds.

So just an idea, isn't it maybe time the forum evolved to accommodate everyone along with differing opinions, wants, needs, ideas and tastes?

My humble opinion.

Spot on there @Deckie

 

[Stosta]

Seeing as this thread is clearly no longer specifically about developing a clone sub-forum, I'll just throw this in here as well.

If someone continuously irritates you, you can click on their profile, and click ignore, and like a Harry Potter movie, magic happens, and you don't see anymore of them!

There's just so much baiting and trolling and arguing going on at the moment that very little actually get discussed. I've lost so many good friends on this forum because they grew tired of the constant bickering. This isn't some Bruce Willis movie, you're all adults, try act accordingly?

 

[Amir]

Seeing as this thread is clearly no longer specifically about developing a clone sub-forum, I'll just throw this in here as well.

If someone continuously irritates you, you can click on their profile, and click ignore, and like a Harry Potter movie, magic happens, and you don't see anymore of them!

There's just so much baiting and trolling and arguing going on at the moment that very little actually get discussed. I've lost so many good friends on this forum because they grew tired of the constant bickering. This isn't some Bruce Willis movie, you're all adults, try act accordingly?

What's your issue with uncle Brucie?

 

[Roodt]

WhenI joined this forum more than a year ago, I did so to gather information and see what was available in the SA vaping market. I was seeking information from first hand user experience, i found that in abundance. I also found that there was items within my reach financially and items that were not, I enquired more about the items that were within financial availability, and so made informed decisions on my purchases.
As of late i have noticed (after absence from the forum for some time) that is still the general use of the forum, a place for vapers to discuss vaping and vaping goods. There is more attention towards the more expensive and exotic items, but such is life. We all dream of a exotic sports car or something of similar exclusivity, it's human nature, it is in us.
Classifying the people on the forum based on what they have, rather than what value they can add to the forum seems to be what is going wrong here.

 

[Puff the Magic Dragon]

What's your issue with uncle Brucie?

It's a slippery slope. What next ? Someone saying something negative about Chuck Norris movies ?

 

[SmokeyJoe]

It's a slippery slope. What next ? Someone saying something negative about Chuck Norris movies ?
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No one would dare . . .

 

[Roodt]

No one would dare . . .

Speaking of which... what would be the Chuck Norris of vapes? Mod and tank or combo...

 

[SmokeyJoe]

 

[BioHAZarD]

Speaking of which... what would be the Chuck Norris of vapes? Mod and tank or combo...

Would have to be the crappiest mod and atty known to man but in the hands of Chuck it would outperform anything in the HE world

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